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09-14-2003, 02:38 PM
#21
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The RIAA is fucked in any case. You can record(steal) music with an audio tape, VHS, CDR, VCD, DVDR, MP3, MPEG, etc..
I personally use a minidisc player MD's rock! i only Down load DJ sets and music that would never be available here or is too old for them to stock anymore. The RIAA would have to sue Sony Panasonic Sharp Phillips Dell Toshiba and all the other companies that make recording devices available to the public. I don't see that happening.
I personally use a minidisc player MD's rock! i only Down load DJ sets and music that would never be available here or is too old for them to stock anymore. The RIAA would have to sue Sony Panasonic Sharp Phillips Dell Toshiba and all the other companies that make recording devices available to the public. I don't see that happening.
09-14-2003, 02:44 PM
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Ahhhh the joys of trying to justify illegal behavior, never ceases to amaze me.
The answer to the loaf of bread question is yes it's wrong to steal the loaf of bread. Of course that's not something that should happen with charity out there so the question is where did the charity break down?
So where are the girls parents? Age makes theft legal? Charming I'll have my 11 year old take some stuff I want, not need, and not pay for it. It'll be fine right?
There's an old saying "If you'll steal a dime you'll still a million" All depends on the justification.
If you don't like RIAA don't buy from them. You don't need the music, you just want it. No matter how you want to word it or what you want to say about it you're dead wrong, it's theft and if you get caught and punished it's your problem.
It's perfectly fair to sue someone for above the amount lost. It's called punative damages.
And you still haven't answered the question: What makes theft right again? Must have missed that part.
Moral Of The Story: Don't steal.
The answer to the loaf of bread question is yes it's wrong to steal the loaf of bread. Of course that's not something that should happen with charity out there so the question is where did the charity break down?
So where are the girls parents? Age makes theft legal? Charming I'll have my 11 year old take some stuff I want, not need, and not pay for it. It'll be fine right?
There's an old saying "If you'll steal a dime you'll still a million" All depends on the justification.
If you don't like RIAA don't buy from them. You don't need the music, you just want it. No matter how you want to word it or what you want to say about it you're dead wrong, it's theft and if you get caught and punished it's your problem.
It's perfectly fair to sue someone for above the amount lost. It's called punative damages.
And you still haven't answered the question: What makes theft right again? Must have missed that part.
Moral Of The Story: Don't steal.
09-14-2003, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Rotarydragon' date='Sep 14 2003, 02:44 PM
Ahhhh the joys of trying to justify illegal behavior, never ceases to amaze me.
The answer to the loaf of bread question is yes it's wrong to steal the loaf of bread. Of course that's not something that should happen with charity out there so the question is where did the charity break down?
So where are the girls parents? Age makes theft legal? Charming I'll have my 11 year old take some stuff I want, not need, and not pay for it. It'll be fine right?
There's an old saying "If you'll steal a dime you'll still a million" All depends on the justification.
If you don't like RIAA don't buy from them. You don't need the music, you just want it. No matter how you want to word it or what you want to say about it you're dead wrong, it's theft and if you get caught and punished it's your problem.
It's perfectly fair to sue someone for above the amount lost. It's called punative damages.
And you still haven't answered the question: What makes theft right again? Must have missed that part.
Moral Of The Story: Don't steal.
The answer to the loaf of bread question is yes it's wrong to steal the loaf of bread. Of course that's not something that should happen with charity out there so the question is where did the charity break down?
So where are the girls parents? Age makes theft legal? Charming I'll have my 11 year old take some stuff I want, not need, and not pay for it. It'll be fine right?
There's an old saying "If you'll steal a dime you'll still a million" All depends on the justification.
If you don't like RIAA don't buy from them. You don't need the music, you just want it. No matter how you want to word it or what you want to say about it you're dead wrong, it's theft and if you get caught and punished it's your problem.
It's perfectly fair to sue someone for above the amount lost. It's called punative damages.
And you still haven't answered the question: What makes theft right again? Must have missed that part.
Moral Of The Story: Don't steal.
I also contend that people need music to survive. If there was no music in the world people would be killing themselves all over the place. I guess you could turn to church or something instead but that would suck. Or make your own music, which is a good alternative also.
09-14-2003, 02:58 PM
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Never stole ANYthing Rotarydragon? Anyway, there will always be ways to share files with out them knowing, ppl will do it just to say FU RIAA. I have know quite a few ppl that are in up and coming bands, and they are mostly pretty kewl with file sharing music, cuz what better way do you have to let ppl listen to your music, and spread the word about your band.
09-14-2003, 03:10 PM
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How does downloading music = stealing.
If it is indeed stealing than damn! I have been stealing all kinds of stuff for years. When I was 14 years old I used to tape songs off the radio all the time. I didn't have any money to spend on records or tapes.
I am not trying to justify stealing. I am simply pointing out the actions of the RIAA are over the top. I have not downloaded a song since they started talking law suits. But I'll be damned if they try to sue me for songs I downloaded 2 years ago.
If they were trying to scare me into not downloading songs it worked.
I ALSO do not buy CD's anymore and will not until they lower the prices to resonable amounts. Its a 2 way street.
If it is indeed stealing than damn! I have been stealing all kinds of stuff for years. When I was 14 years old I used to tape songs off the radio all the time. I didn't have any money to spend on records or tapes.
I am not trying to justify stealing. I am simply pointing out the actions of the RIAA are over the top. I have not downloaded a song since they started talking law suits. But I'll be damned if they try to sue me for songs I downloaded 2 years ago.
If they were trying to scare me into not downloading songs it worked.
I ALSO do not buy CD's anymore and will not until they lower the prices to resonable amounts. Its a 2 way street.
09-14-2003, 03:30 PM
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So RotoryDragon doesnt have a single downloaded song in his computer?
I havent bothered downloading anything pretty much since AudioGalaxy was shut down, but before that I got a kick out of getting as much music as I could.
Now if I couldnt download the music, I wasnt going to buy it anyhow. And I believe that to be the case with alot of people.
Its not like downloading music will help me pay for my mortgage or anything, so basically if I couldnt do it, I would just simply go without.
All this is doing is making people despise the recording industry more. The real problem is the price of CDs versus what you are getting in return. Lower the price of CDs to $7-$8 and more people will buy them. Thats saying they start putting out some music thats WORTH buying to begin with
I havent bothered downloading anything pretty much since AudioGalaxy was shut down, but before that I got a kick out of getting as much music as I could.
Now if I couldnt download the music, I wasnt going to buy it anyhow. And I believe that to be the case with alot of people.
Its not like downloading music will help me pay for my mortgage or anything, so basically if I couldnt do it, I would just simply go without.
All this is doing is making people despise the recording industry more. The real problem is the price of CDs versus what you are getting in return. Lower the price of CDs to $7-$8 and more people will buy them. Thats saying they start putting out some music thats WORTH buying to begin with
09-14-2003, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob x-7' date='Sep 14 2003, 03:30 PM
All this is doing is making people despise the recording industry more. The real problem is the price of CDs versus what you are getting in return. Lower the price of CDs to $7-$8 and more people will buy them. Thats saying they start putting out some music thats WORTH buying to begin with
09-14-2003, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Rotarydragon' date='Sep 14 2003, 11:44 AM
You don't need the music, you just want it.
09-14-2003, 08:20 PM
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Yes but music isn't required it's not like bread, etc. As far as music goes I have some on most of the time, play the guitar among other insturments and would be in the college madgrial group if my schedule didn't conflict and provided I was good enough to get in. (Which I might be, just depends on who else trys out. I sing OK)
I certainly don't support RIAA's marketing or general biz model 99% of the music turned out sucks and it's all overpriced.
Taping songs off the radio isn't illegal so far as I know, plus everyone can hear them just by tuning in. The artist looses no money if that's the only song you'll listen to by them. The artist does loose money however if you download the rest of the CD. It's like giving out a free sample of food, you may get more sales. Downloading is stealing because you did not pay for those songs that have not been released to the public. It's the same as walking out of the store without paying for the CD.
So again I think music is overpriced and most of it is crap. I hate buying a CD to find there is one good song on the whole thing. RIAA needs to get it's act together, lower prices and get rid of artists who have little or no talent and start producing some solid music.
I certainly don't support RIAA's marketing or general biz model 99% of the music turned out sucks and it's all overpriced.
Taping songs off the radio isn't illegal so far as I know, plus everyone can hear them just by tuning in. The artist looses no money if that's the only song you'll listen to by them. The artist does loose money however if you download the rest of the CD. It's like giving out a free sample of food, you may get more sales. Downloading is stealing because you did not pay for those songs that have not been released to the public. It's the same as walking out of the store without paying for the CD.
So again I think music is overpriced and most of it is crap. I hate buying a CD to find there is one good song on the whole thing. RIAA needs to get it's act together, lower prices and get rid of artists who have little or no talent and start producing some solid music.