RX8 in america
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Originally Posted by 1988RedT2' post='834778' date='Aug 29 2006, 12:22 PM
Evaluating the "feel" of a car is a very subjective thing. Some people are going to attach a higher importance to straight-line acceleration. I'm not sure how impressed I would be with an engine that makes it's max. torque of 139 lb-ft. at 6100 rpm. The Mazda 2.3 delivers 150 lb-ft. at a more usable 4500 RPM.
And if we really want to talk about horsepower in a cheap small car, we should be talking about the Mazdaspeed 3. http://www.autoweb.com/content/shared/arti...cle_id_int/1179
+1.
If comparing the Civic to the 3, you can't use a Civic Si to the base Mazda3. Mazdaspeed3 vs. Civic Si? MS3, please.
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yea, si is to civic what MS3 is to the 3.
no matter what this is a whole bunch of magazine racing. if you dont like an entire company for having the ***** to actually go out and tyr to be innovative, try to give their consumers what they want then fine.
go to chevy where they'll produce you the same car with a different shell 100 times over...hell most of their cars have all had the same crappy style interior for go dknows how long.
all we say is "carmakers should listen to consumers" "carmakers should try new things" etc etc etc. then when a manufacturer tries it people are all "oh how dare they try to change the set model for cars, how DARE they."
even if we werent talking about mazda, i'd still have the same point of view if the company was one which pushed innovation instead of illusion.
kevin.
no matter what this is a whole bunch of magazine racing. if you dont like an entire company for having the ***** to actually go out and tyr to be innovative, try to give their consumers what they want then fine.
go to chevy where they'll produce you the same car with a different shell 100 times over...hell most of their cars have all had the same crappy style interior for go dknows how long.
all we say is "carmakers should listen to consumers" "carmakers should try new things" etc etc etc. then when a manufacturer tries it people are all "oh how dare they try to change the set model for cars, how DARE they."
even if we werent talking about mazda, i'd still have the same point of view if the company was one which pushed innovation instead of illusion.
kevin.
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people do that with music too, like metallica, same ole boring crap, so they drop a bus on the bass player, and get a new one, and people hate em for it, then they put out an album people actually like, and people hated that too, so then they went gay, and we're sort of fine with that
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So lemme get this straight. A 2.0 vs a 2.3 isnt a fair comparison, but a 2.3 turbo vs a 2.0 is? Anybody want to throw the new Z06 in there too?
Innovation is great, so long as it doesnt affect quality. And Mazda is known for sacrificing quality for doo-dads and gimmics.
J9fd3s, Wut?
You saying Mazda is gay?
Innovation is great, so long as it doesnt affect quality. And Mazda is known for sacrificing quality for doo-dads and gimmics.
J9fd3s, Wut?
You saying Mazda is gay?
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Lets face it, you cant re-invent the wheel at this point.
give me quality **** for my money, and products that hold thier value.
I think everyday N/A sedans with close to 300hp V6 engines that get close to 30mpg if not better are pretty damm good if you ask me, I think thats inventive enough.
give me quality **** for my money, and products that hold thier value.
I think everyday N/A sedans with close to 300hp V6 engines that get close to 30mpg if not better are pretty damm good if you ask me, I think thats inventive enough.
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Originally Posted by RONIN FC' post='834802' date='Aug 29 2006, 04:04 PM
So lemme get this straight. A 2.0 vs a 2.3 isnt a fair comparison, but a 2.3 turbo vs a 2.0 is? Anybody want to throw the new Z06 in there too?
Innovation is great, so long as it doesnt affect quality. And Mazda is known for sacrificing quality for doo-dads and gimmics.
J9fd3s, Wut?
You saying Mazda is gay?
No, we're saying to compare the "sport" model to the "sport" model. Not "sport" model to the "base" model. Apples to Apples.
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Originally Posted by Tessai' post='834811' date='Aug 29 2006, 08:01 PM
No, we're saying to compare the "sport" model to the "sport" model. Not "sport" model to the "base" model. Apples to Apples.
The MS3 isnt in production yet.
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I disagree that the Auto Adjust Suspension is a so-called 'gimmick'.
The GXL and the TII were the top models. You could either have the raw performance machine, or the luxury model. TII's have a bone jarring, and awesome suspension. The GXL's A.A.S. allowed you to soften the suspension up a bit so your spine didn't get obliterated every time you hit a crack in the road, but allowed you to select that 'sporty' suspension that feels like..well...no suspension at all. The system WILL think for itself if need be...anti-dive, anti-squat and anti-roll. Above 70mph, the suspension automatically goes into it's firmest mode for high-speed stability.
You know that the suspension is changing modes (Either by selecting Normal or Sport, or when it does it on it's own terms) because your volt gauge fluctuates in a more than apparent way. As my drive through the mountains the other day proved, the system is quite active.
I've had two GXLs, and both had very noticable differences for the different suspension modes. It's not a gimmick, it's a luxury option.
The GXL and the TII were the top models. You could either have the raw performance machine, or the luxury model. TII's have a bone jarring, and awesome suspension. The GXL's A.A.S. allowed you to soften the suspension up a bit so your spine didn't get obliterated every time you hit a crack in the road, but allowed you to select that 'sporty' suspension that feels like..well...no suspension at all. The system WILL think for itself if need be...anti-dive, anti-squat and anti-roll. Above 70mph, the suspension automatically goes into it's firmest mode for high-speed stability.
You know that the suspension is changing modes (Either by selecting Normal or Sport, or when it does it on it's own terms) because your volt gauge fluctuates in a more than apparent way. As my drive through the mountains the other day proved, the system is quite active.
I've had two GXLs, and both had very noticable differences for the different suspension modes. It's not a gimmick, it's a luxury option.
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Originally Posted by Rob x-7' post='834810' date='Aug 29 2006, 06:59 PM
Lets face it, you cant re-invent the wheel at this point.
give me quality **** for my money, and products that hold thier value.
I think everyday N/A sedans with close to 300hp V6 engines that get close to 30mpg if not better are pretty damm good if you ask me, I think thats inventive enough.
Yup. The automobile has been perfected. No further improvements can be expected. The cars on the road 100 years from now will look more or less exactly like a 2006 Toyota Camry.
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Originally Posted by 1988RedT2' post='834884' date='Aug 30 2006, 07:35 AM
Yup. The automobile has been perfected. No further improvements can be expected. The cars on the road 100 years from now will look more or less exactly like a 2006 Toyota Camry.
we were talking about working for toyota, its more $$ but gawd it would be boring.
service writer: did you fix the gold camry?
jack: which one?