Rx-8 Discussion
08-21-2003, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by kkw4p' date='Aug 21 2003, 06:55 PM
There are a bunch of people on the RX8 forum that say they dynoed their car and it only came up 175rwhp.. which would mean a 75 hp loss in the drivetrain. Needless to say they were pissed and demanded an explanation from the dealership.
The best the dealerships could probably come up with was.. "Well, we think you threw a piston in cylinder 3."
I added that last part.. I dunno what the stealerships said.
The best the dealerships could probably come up with was.. "Well, we think you threw a piston in cylinder 3."
I added that last part.. I dunno what the stealerships said.
There isn't one. It's at the flywheel they made 255..
Or at least I think..
Whatever... Who the **** takes a brand new car to the DYNO? What the hell??
08-21-2003, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 9BASE3' date='Aug 22 2003, 12:58 AM
[quote name='kkw4p' date='Aug 21 2003, 06:55 PM'] There are a bunch of people on the RX8 forum that say they dynoed their car and it only came up 175rwhp.. which would mean a 75 hp loss in the drivetrain. Needless to say they were pissed and demanded an explanation from the dealership.
The best the dealerships could probably come up with was.. "Well, we think you threw a piston in cylinder 3."
I added that last part.. I dunno what the stealerships said.
The best the dealerships could probably come up with was.. "Well, we think you threw a piston in cylinder 3."
I added that last part.. I dunno what the stealerships said.
There isn't one. It's at the flywheel they made 255..
Or at least I think..
Whatever... Who the **** takes a brand new car to the DYNO? What the hell?? [/quote]
someone who thinks there car is slower than it should be I suspect
It feels more like a 200HP sedan than a 247HP 'sports sedan'.
08-21-2003, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 9BASE3' date='Aug 21 2003, 07:58 PM
Find me a stock FD that will turn 255 at the wheels...
There isn't one. It's at the flywheel they made 255..
Or at least I think..
Whatever... Who the **** takes a brand new car to the DYNO? What the hell??
There isn't one. It's at the flywheel they made 255..
Or at least I think..
Whatever... Who the **** takes a brand new car to the DYNO? What the hell??
I said 75 hp loss in drivetrain.. that would mean 250 at the crank. 250 is what they claim at the crank. A stock FD should put down 210-220 at the tires.
08-21-2003, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by kkw4p' date='Aug 21 2003, 07:04 PM
[quote name='9BASE3' date='Aug 21 2003, 07:58 PM'] Find me a stock FD that will turn 255 at the wheels...
There isn't one. It's at the flywheel they made 255..
Or at least I think..
Whatever... Who the **** takes a brand new car to the DYNO? What the hell??
There isn't one. It's at the flywheel they made 255..
Or at least I think..
Whatever... Who the **** takes a brand new car to the DYNO? What the hell??
I said 75 hp loss in drivetrain.. that would mean 250 at the crank. 250 is what they claim at the crank. A stock FD should put down 210-220 at the tires. [/quote]
Agreed.
I still wish I could go buy a new car, take it to the dyno, then take it back to the dealer and bitch. That would be sweet!
08-21-2003, 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by pengaru' date='Aug 21 2003, 09:03 PM
[quote name='9BASE3' date='Aug 22 2003, 12:58 AM'] [quote name='kkw4p' date='Aug 21 2003, 06:55 PM'] There are a bunch of people on the RX8 forum that say they dynoed their car and it only came up 175rwhp.. which would mean a 75 hp loss in the drivetrain. Needless to say they were pissed and demanded an explanation from the dealership.
The best the dealerships could probably come up with was.. "Well, we think you threw a piston in cylinder 3."
I added that last part.. I dunno what the stealerships said.
The best the dealerships could probably come up with was.. "Well, we think you threw a piston in cylinder 3."
I added that last part.. I dunno what the stealerships said.
There isn't one. It's at the flywheel they made 255..
Or at least I think..
Whatever... Who the **** takes a brand new car to the DYNO? What the hell?? [/quote]
someone who thinks there car is slower than it should be I suspect
It feels more like a 200HP sedan than a 247HP 'sports sedan'. [/quote]
I concur, after abusing one tonight it feels like its missing 50 horsepower at least.
08-21-2003, 10:37 PM
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mazdaspeed certified dealer?!?!?
Wasnt aware there was such a thing anymore since the ORIGINAL Mazdaspeed went under a few years ago. Thats why none of the new
MS is in the states and has to be imported from Japan. So whats a Mazdaspeed Certified dealer?
By the way Mazda and Mazdaspeed Japan are saying SO SUCH THING as it being turbo charged, but hey we can dream, and plus you never know.
The RX8 IMHO is nice, depending on color and wheels and a little lowering job, then its really nice, BUT still doesnt take the place of any of the RX7s just my opinion though.
Wasnt aware there was such a thing anymore since the ORIGINAL Mazdaspeed went under a few years ago. Thats why none of the new
MS is in the states and has to be imported from Japan. So whats a Mazdaspeed Certified dealer?
By the way Mazda and Mazdaspeed Japan are saying SO SUCH THING as it being turbo charged, but hey we can dream, and plus you never know.
The RX8 IMHO is nice, depending on color and wheels and a little lowering job, then its really nice, BUT still doesnt take the place of any of the RX7s just my opinion though.
08-22-2003, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by 9BASE3' date='Aug 21 2003, 08:58 PM
Whatever... Who the **** takes a brand new car to the DYNO? What the hell??
Most Supra's dyno'd somewhere around 310rwhp Stock meaning the car was actually UNDERrated in HP from the factory.
Rx8's do look much better in person though, saw 2 at a car lot in SC on vacation, yellow and black...sweet.
And yea, as others have said, for what it's designed to be (Not exactly the all out Supercar the FD is) I would definitely choose the Rx8 over other sedans.
08-22-2003, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by PhoenixDownVII' date='Aug 22 2003, 09:09 AM
Most Supra's dyno'd somewhere around 310rwhp Stock meaning the car was actually UNDERrated in HP from the factory.
The Supra issue is because of a Japense law that says no car can be produced with more than 300 hp. So, to get around that manufacturers quote their cars low, and even provide a few detuned models for testing to the gov. They all do it.. everyone knows it.. even the gov. No one cares because the Japenese loved highly tuned sports cars.
And manufacturers do quote the true HP, they just quote it from the flywheel, not the tire. Probably because the number is 15% bigger, and more hp = $.
There are more examples of a Jap cars that were quoted low from the factory .. maybe the Skyline or something. Can't remember 'em right now.
If you look even GT3 for PS2 picked up on the Supra under-quoting. In the "Car dealership" the Supra's rated at 275hp and as soon as you buy it and go to your garage it jumps to around 312 hp. Change the oil and you might even get 315hp!
Anyway.. there's that mystery solved.
08-22-2003, 03:14 PM
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This Japanese law,...is not a "law", in the formal sense.
It was known as the "Gentlemen's Agreement". And again, it was not a "law".
As for "providing of detuned models for government testing." All governments test vehicles. Your detunded models theory doesn't make any sense whatsoever. The cars were tested as is, BUT the numbers were stated as "x" hp by the manufacturer.
These numbers were stated by the auto manufacturers, due to a mutual "agreement".
Stop comparing GT3 to real life scenarios. I don't care how accurate the data on GT3 may be. Using GT3 as a source for quoting, is one of the worse things to ever do. That is as if, I was using Dr. Mario to write a term paper on the use of aspirin on viruses. Geez.
It was known as the "Gentlemen's Agreement". And again, it was not a "law".
As for "providing of detuned models for government testing." All governments test vehicles. Your detunded models theory doesn't make any sense whatsoever. The cars were tested as is, BUT the numbers were stated as "x" hp by the manufacturer.
These numbers were stated by the auto manufacturers, due to a mutual "agreement".
Stop comparing GT3 to real life scenarios. I don't care how accurate the data on GT3 may be. Using GT3 as a source for quoting, is one of the worse things to ever do. That is as if, I was using Dr. Mario to write a term paper on the use of aspirin on viruses. Geez.
08-22-2003, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by kkw4p' date='Aug 22 2003, 03:59 PM
[quote name='PhoenixDownVII' date='Aug 22 2003, 09:09 AM'] Most Supra's dyno'd somewhere around 310rwhp Stock meaning the car was actually UNDERrated in HP from the factory.
The Supra issue is because of a Japense law that says no car can be produced with more than 300 hp. So, to get around that manufacturers quote their cars low, and even provide a few detuned models for testing to the gov. They all do it.. everyone knows it.. even the gov. No one cares because the Japenese loved highly tuned sports cars.
And manufacturers do quote the true HP, they just quote it from the flywheel, not the tire. Probably because the number is 15% bigger, and more hp = $.
There are more examples of a Jap cars that were quoted low from the factory .. maybe the Skyline or something. Can't remember 'em right now.
If you look even GT3 for PS2 picked up on the Supra under-quoting. In the "Car dealership" the Supra's rated at 275hp and as soon as you buy it and go to your garage it jumps to around 312 hp. Change the oil and you might even get 315hp!
Anyway.. there's that mystery solved. [/quote]
Actually, I know what you are pointing out and it's not what I am saying:
Yes, in Japan there are strict laws (nothing above 280?) so there are restrictions and the car reads 280HP in most car games (Cause its JDM).
Now, the US version was rated 320hp right? Right.
Now, I understand the HP is at the Flywheel, and I certainly know by now that on the dyno you are receiving RWHP #'s which are usually 15% less than BHP due to loss of power through the drivetrain...etc etc.
SO: Take 15% off of 320, and you do NOT get 310rwhp [in fact, 15% is 48, which would mean somewhere around 272RWHP]. Meaning, now that we see stock Supra's Dyno'ing 310rwhp, Toyota probably could have quoted the car something more like 340-350hp.
So now, with that being said, if a Car is rated from the factory (BHP) of something like 250 should show up circa 213RWHP, not 175rwhp like quoted above.
I remember reading that my Stock MKII Mr2 (Rated 200hp) should put down 170-175, which again is with a 15% loss, and people WITH mods (obviously) were quoting figures of now 200RWHP.
K I am at work and was bored so i busted out the calc and wrote this lol.
I hope I explained it right.