As some of you may know i'm searching for a Prelude now as a daily driver. I figured that it might be smart to go over to the Honda-Tech forums and read up a bit to learn about them and their engines so i know what i'm getting into. After reading topics for about 30 minutes i felt as if someone had taken a crap on my brain. Everything about those engines are so much more complicated than any engine needs to be especially when compared to a rotary. You wanna make your car faster? You can go forced induction, a decent kit will put you back 3 grand maybe 2 if you put it together yourself. Then if you even wanna run any boost you have to replace internals. Pistons, rods, resleeve the block, cams, a whole ******* valvetrain. Bam! you just spent another 3 grand on your FI setup. Ohnos my bearings are bad, my valves are bent, i have rod knock! Boo ******* hoo. If your car didnt have so much useless crap that wouldnt happen. Variable valve timing indeed. Any SOHC VTEC on a honda is a joke. It isnt tuned for performance and barely efficiency. You have VTEC for about 1000 rpm before your car hits redline. Hell that isnt even gonna help you get on the highway.



On top of that there are so many debates in the Honda world on what brands are better. What headers give more gain. What intakes give more gain. Exhaust, this and that. Noone can agree on anything. At least 50% of the topics on the Honda-Tech forum are arguements on different cams or this or that. Over here at nopistons everyone just about knows that RB just about the best bolt on exhaust you can pickup. Headers, RB is good for that too. Our products are more personalized due to the rarity of our cars and therefore it seems like we manage to avoid some of that money saving crap taht goes on especially in the Honda world. As i read SCC or other import magazines I see ads for Honda this and Honda that and have to really wonder if those parts have any quality or decent production testing behind them at all. And when someone does come along and actually put together something decent the price is through the roof because they arent a major manufacturer and had to develop the stuff themselves.



When it comes down to it rotaries and the whole rotary world, everything about it, seems to be simple and down to the point; fast, uncomplicated, lightweight. However it has that uniqueness of not being a piston engine and performance to ward off the illusion of a dull gimmick. 3 moving parts, about as many performance part manufacturers but thats completely fine. We don't need and will not get the long list of under par "performance" tuners that other cars get. Why? Simple put rotary natural selection. Those who don't understand and respect it lose their cars and go back to the pistons. Those who do cherish and give the rotary patience are rewarded with a truly awe inspiring and unique experience.

I agree.... https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683827.gif

Yeah I was looking for a DD too. I am afraid to buy a piston engine car since I knew nothing about cars before my 7. I would be lost....So what do I plan on doing? Buy a 1st Gen!

It's funny and ironic. People think rotaries are so complicated and confusing lol. The one sentence that best explains the key to understanding a rotary?



"Forget everything you've learned about car engines and start all over again"



But what if the first engine you truly learned was a rotary?

Hmm, rotary better because NOT bird....

Well said.

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Thank you sir...

Imagine if someone who learned the rotary first was a Honda guy at heart. For example: they know the rotary, but inside they think they're destined to push a piston. So, if they ONLY know the rotary and all of a sudden it wasn't available anymore, those people would be screwed.

First engine i learned and really understood was a rotary. I started out a Honda guy but no matter what i drive, i know the rotary will call. It's an odd sensation but if it's there, you know.

im surprised that a few of you guys dont know all that much about piston engines. i went quite a ways without even knowing what a rotary was. and then i learned and it confused the **** outa me. and now im trying to learn as much about it as possible because as far as im concerned is superior in every way of pistons https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...>/bigthumb.gif

I know the basics of a piston motor, but i know most about rotarys, kinda funny.

You know na-zing!

i never learned how to rebuild a piston engine.. but after talking to Dragon, Igy and Rutt about my old 180SX and then watching them buid a 13B.. I knew right away that there is no comparison.. so many little things on a piston engine.. and the cost alone, what it cost you to build one piston engine you could rebuild a rotary about 10 times. Now this is based off doing it yourself. and I know for a fact that I would rather build a rotary than a piston engine.

I do have to say that rotary is so much better. The only thing we need to worrie about it apex seals and coolent seals well for the most part. Man so much **** in a piston engine. People dont liek the rotary because they dont understand it. If more people would learn rotary would take over. Think about how much development the piston engine has had, now compare that to a rotary. The rotary engine is like a 3 yr old compared to a 60 yr old. Just wait till rotarys are at that point.

Learned pistons 1st and rotaries right after

i learned pistons first, and rotaries second. I will never go back. i can't believe i actually thought about putting a piston engine in my rex. Piston engines belongs in pickups and trucks where 300 ft-lbs of torque is needed. well put.

I wanted to mod my Integra for a short time but my curiosity about second gen RX-7s brought me to my FC; I became quickly attached to it like a moth drawn to a flame. $1200 later I became a rotary convert, infatuated with my true love in cars.



I rebuilt the B16 engine in my Acura about four years ago and there were many parts to measure, replace, machine and reassemble. Adjusting the valves every year is a real pain. Now I have my S4 13B apart and it seems almost too easy to rebuild. Porting it has been fun. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png



I agree that the honda kids suck and argue over nothing. The rotary crowd is much friendlier and more mature (for the most part), though I regret using the word "integra" in my handle because I still get the occasional smack talking from rotorheads who don't know me.



If you want a daily driver I would just get a cheap S4 NA. They ride nice, run well when properly maintained and are true sports cars unlike Preludes. My gas mileage is about 25-28 on the freeway at 70 and about 20 around town.

i considered myself a honda man before grtting into my current TII-FB swap. i owned a 2001 integra type-r that ran mid 13's with a 50-shot of nitrous, only other mods i had on the car were an intake and v-afc. the thing about hondas is they are quite reliable even when tuned and they are farily cheap. for about a 10k investment you can have a little civic hatchback running 10's no problem. and the fact that the honda b-series engine is hands down one the easiest engines to work on, two of my buddies can have an integra ls engine swapped into a civic in a day and running fine.



the thing about hondas is there's a limit to what you can do, you can get good 1/4 mile times and do really well at auto-x. but hondas will never really be able to compete at the fully tuned level with cars that are designed for real speed. civics were never meant to do 170 mph or hold over 1g on the skidpad.



hands down the best example of honda street engineering is the type-r series of cars. we've only seen the integra here but over seas they a complete lineup from the civic to the nsx. here in the states a sports car is required to do alot to gain respect, hondas have never been exceptional 1/4 mile cars out of the box. they were designed more for road courses and the type-r's do quite well at the track when a good driver is behind the wheel. a stock integra type-r runs very well against a stock us-spec fd. the gap widens considerably when you throw modifications into the mix, if you throw 5k at both cars the rx-7 becomes a terror but the integra might be able to keep up with a vette threw a road course.



in the short time i've been working with rotaries i've come to love the simplicity of the engine and its design. i think i'll keep with rotaries for my street terror, but for my daily driver i'll have to go with a lightly modded honda. good gas mileage and rock solid dependability saves me money for a turbo upgrade...







P.S. don't buy a prelude, they're big and slow. H22 engines have very weak crankshafts.

I coulnd't have said it better myself...

yeah pistons are for girls.

I was a V8 person at first. However, I learned rotaries and pistons at the same time. I saw for myself which was the better design. These days, none of my vehicles have pistons in them, except for in the brakes lol.

Rotary=Cool https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/boink.gif

yeah, i can do piston engines but the rotary is so much better. for any car i drive i'd mush rather have a rotary over a piston motor.



mike

Ok, I apologize as it seems that i'm going to hijack my own thread. But most of you recomended against getting a Prelude as a daily driver and getting an FC instead. I thought over this issue earlier and decided to get a Prelude instead. Honda reliability as well as a 2+2 design. Where the FC is plagued by little electrical gremlins and has the problem of being at least 12+ years old. Also earlier i decided that if i was ever to get an FC again i'd get a Turbo II. Anyways i'm a bit confused again and i'm sorry if i seem to keep going around in a circle but 4k is a lot to spend on a car.

if your really gonna get a piston engine dont get a stupid prelude. get a mk3 supra or something worthwhile.

well hondas are reliable if you leave em alone, but its easier to fix a rottary vs a piston; cheaper too honda wants over $2000 for a rebuilt cylinder head



mike

What about a 1g GSX? Are those any good? And as for the MK III Supra I considered those but outside of getting a Turbo II I kinda wanna stay outside of a mid late 80s car with their horrible interior.

gsx = mistubishi?

yes

Yes!!!

ha! do you like picking transmission parts off the ground and walking?



mike

Seriously, a non modded and well maintained NA FC is reliable too. Find a nice one and it will deliver.

Aside from tranny problems how reliable are 1g dsms?



And I dunno what to get. This sucks. I'm just saving up for a car, i have no real goal as to what kind or what that i want cause i'm so damn unsure.

the first car i ever owned was a rotary. i learned about these cars, and forever will be a rotor head.



and just looking at my buddies web sitesand their mods, i must say i'm glad i own a rotary, b/c the mods are much simpler, straight forward, and OUTSIDE the engine. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif



about the only internal thing we can change is upgrading to 3mm apex seals and bigger ports, both of which are done when the engine is rebuild.



we dont have head gaskets to repair, rockers to change, competition cams to buy. no heads to replace. just fun things, outside the engine, that people can see when we open our hoods. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...R#>/tongue.png

I want a TII for my daily driver.. forget pistons.

1st gens don't have tranny problems. 2nd gens have crank problems, and 1st gens have half-axle problems. Head over to DSMtalk.com if you want to learn more.

1st gens don't have tranny problems. 2nd gens have crank problems, and 1st gens have half-axle problems. Head over to DSMtalk.com if you want to learn more. [/quote]

dude its a mitsubishi they have everything problems



mike

mitsubishi - another one of those companies that needs to stick to making appliances and not cars.



kevin.

dsm's dont have crank problems. the crankwalk happens to less than half a percent to them.



but theyre allright cars, if you plan on racing people on the street it wont be a good idea because it needs high rpm launches to be fast, and you cant do many of those with that tranny.