WishIhadaRX7

I think you severely downplayed the importance of this. Christianity has not always been happiness and fluff. I'm sure most of you who are preaching on here have read at least part of the old testament. An eye for an eye sound familiar. The Christian religion has caused more deaths and suffereing than any other throughout history. Again however, I will reiteriate that I feel Christian VALUES are a good thing, however the religion leaves a lot to be desired.



Ummm, I'd like an answer on this from one of the Creationists.....



Hmmm, contradiction, well if your Christian you had better get used to dealing with that, cuz there is a lot of it in your religion.



And that is the nature of Religion.



Now having bashed on organized religion let me state that I DO beleive in a God, which one? None of the ones available for choice at the moment. I think faith is a good thing, the problem is when people wrap that faith in a religion (with many holes in it.) I do feel it obvious that something happened that is beyond ALL OF OUR understanding, to think that a small select group has all the answers when history has proven that everything we take as an absolute truth is proven not absolute at some point. 3000 years ago everyone beleived the universe revolved around the Earth. 1000 years ago everyone beleived the Earth was flat. 500 years ago almost everyone beleived there were aliens on Mars. Today we beleive that quarks are the smallest particles that everything are built on (10 years ago it was protons, electrons, and nuetrons; 25 years ago it was an atom.)



My point is simply that are TRUTHS that we hold onto so dearly are based on your perspective. I personally don't give two ***** how you decide to worship so long as you don't try and force your views onto me.

WishIhadaRX7

Who said anything about preaching about mushrooms. I said priests would fast (which is a well documented fact) and some would take drugs (which is a not so well documented fact, but it's as valid as your favored theroies involving natural selection) and after this they would have visions of God. Even if you take drugs out, what happens to a person when they haven't eaten or slept in days? They halucinate. Hmmmm, a connection between God and people making **** up in their heads, who'd of thunk it?



What!?!?!? Now it has been shown that not everytime an animal mutates or evolves it is a good thing, that's one reason why some species go extinct. But I'd be willing to say that there is no such thing as an "in between stage." The animal evolved in order to survive more easily in it's environment. If it was successful than it will outlast the species it came from, and I'd say that makes them "better" than their predecessors.



If you noticed I said that Hawking never said God created the Earth, I do beleive that a God created the universe, cause it had to come from somewhere, right? But Hawking beleives that the Earth was created through the formation of various elements mixing together under the light of our sun which eventually led to us being here.



Good! I'm glad to hear that you evaluated options presented to you. I'm also glad that you are happy in your decision, just realize that not everyone beleives what you do, and that almost everyone doesn't want someone always shouting you're wrong, you're wrong at them all the time. Especially since most of the poeple you are shouting at believe just as passionately that you are in fact the one that is wrong.



And if anyone thinks this is just petty arguing, this is how you find out if those things called "beliefs" are really what is important to you. Unless you challenge them by listening to other peoples arguments and points of view, then you will stagnate, and you will not be familiar with your beliefs and will wonder one day, why do I believe this?

ColinRX7

Ahh religion, bringing people together since BC.

Baldy

rfreeman27

Wow , this turned into somethign it didnt need to be.



Its one thing to say what you feel or believe, but another to TELL SOMEBODY ELSE their beliefs are wrong or dumb. (you know who you are!)

FrestyleFC3S

shut up im GOD!

9BASE3

Wow.

9BASE3

Wouldn't it be nice if everyone could believe what they wanted and it would be okay?



I'll fight neither side. Seems pretty useless to me.



If you believe, cool. If not, fine.



Don't rag on me for what I do, and I won't do it to you.

defprun

I believe in giant spherical beings that will come from space and lead us with an iron fist. They will be made entirely of cloth like substance and say "RE/MAX" on their sides...

RX7Aggie

seem's we are going around in circles with our opinions, so it's time to state other people's research who i'll quote because their views parallel mine, and who have a better way to researching things with more resources than me to find out and understand our universe. ill begin with a former atheist turned christian, whose transition of life you can read about in this essay:



http://www.westminsterhall.us/hfs3/way_of_discovery.doc



Dr. Henry F. Schaefer, III

Since 1987 Dr. "Fritz" Schaefer has been Graham Perdue Professor of Chemistry and Director of the Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry at the University of Georgia. He has been nominated for the Nobel Prize and was recently named the third-most cited chemist in the world.

In addition, he is one of the founders and current President of the Board of Westminster Christian Academy.

He and has wife Karen live in Watkinsville, GA and have four children.



"The significance and joy in my science comes in the occasional moments of discovering something new and saying to myself, 'So that's how God did it!' My goal is to understand a little corner of God's plan."

U.S. News and World Report, Dec. 23, 1991



in his essay "Is Evolution a Good Theory?" he states very good reasons for the faults of evolution as a good theory for life on earth. one excert states:



"This autumn eighteen gifted UGA students and I are spending six weeks examining Stephen Hawking's best-selling book "A Brief History of Time. " Therein Hawking states "A theory is a good theory if it satisfies two requirements. It must accurately describe a large class of observations on the basis of a model that contains only a few arbitrary elements. And it must make definite predictions about the results of future observations." I consider Hawking's statement to be an excellent definition of a good theory. How does evolution stack up to the two demands of a good theory? By the term "evolution," I mean the claim that random mutations and natural selection can fully account for the complexity of life, and particularly macroscopic living things...



Might I be more detailed in stating my reservations concerning the standard evolutionary model? Sure. Let me preface these brief remarks by noting that I think the scientific evidence that God created the universe 13-15 billion years ago is good. My first concern is that, with the collapse of the Miller-Urey model, there is no plausible scientific mechanism for the origin of life, i.e., the appearance of the first self-replicating biochemical system. The staggeringly high information content of the simplest living thing is not readily explained by evolutionists. Second, the time frame for speciation events seems all wrong to me. The major feature of the fossil record is stasis, long periods in which new species do not appear. When new developments occur, they come rapidly, not gradually. My third area of reservation is that I find no satisfactory mechanism for macroevolutionary changes. Analogies between a few inches of change in the beaks of a Galapagos finch species and a purported transition from dinosaur to bird (or vice versa) appear to me inappropriate."



Click the link to read the rest of the essay.



Miller-Urey Model



(other faults of evolution can be found at this web site)