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06-08-2005, 02:19 PM
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[quote name='banzaitoyota' date='Jun 8 2005, 03:08 PM']Why dilute the donated money further by supporting yet another Stars efforts to villanize his name by tacking it to a charity?
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Do you have any clue what you're talking about, ever? This is something started by Bono but not simply owned and run by himself, it's a team of people...
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Do you have any clue what you're talking about, ever? This is something started by Bono but not simply owned and run by himself, it's a team of people...
06-08-2005, 02:22 PM
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[quote name='sidewinderx7' date='Jun 8 2005, 03:12 PM']I feel what youre saying. And I'm not disagreeing with you. However giving money wont really do anything. You dont just hand a few people in a village some money and say "build a school". There is no one that will come into the village and help them create some great educational system ... except... peace corps. And honestly, since you feel so passionate about helping these people, I would suggest you seriously consider it. I've met MANY peace corps people in my travelling around the world. Honestly, they are the nicest and most caring people I've met. They physically get out there for 2+ years and THEY build the schools, THEY build the water wells, THEY build the food pathways, THEY help. Its not about sending money and calling it good ... that doesnt work. If you want to make a difference, you cant trust someone else to do it for you.
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Thanks for understanding. Again, this is another point well-taken. If you want something done, or done right, you have to do it yourself. If I do what I want to do in life, it's going to give much more than just financial aide, while the Peace Corps may not be my calling, it will be certainly in my life in other areas and in my existence overall. I live to serve.
This money isn't simply handed to them, either.
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Thanks for understanding. Again, this is another point well-taken. If you want something done, or done right, you have to do it yourself. If I do what I want to do in life, it's going to give much more than just financial aide, while the Peace Corps may not be my calling, it will be certainly in my life in other areas and in my existence overall. I live to serve.
This money isn't simply handed to them, either.
06-08-2005, 02:26 PM
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[quote name='treceb' date='Jun 8 2005, 03:15 PM']http://www.mtv.com/onair/dyn/truelife/series.jhtml
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"You may be shocked to discover that over 35 million Americans live below the poverty line."
I'm not. This isn't anything foreign to me or what's been said in the thread already... If you want to open that can of worms, I have my .02 on that too. The aide we give some of our poor people just isn't being used right. It's the same tune you'll hear about our aide we give to other countries! Does this mean I give up? Certainly not. I'd like to do what I can with my own money, but alas, as the dollar leaves my hand, it usually has to be entrusted to those I give it to; be it directly to the poor locally or to an "organization". The best I can do is be smart about it.
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"You may be shocked to discover that over 35 million Americans live below the poverty line."
I'm not. This isn't anything foreign to me or what's been said in the thread already... If you want to open that can of worms, I have my .02 on that too. The aide we give some of our poor people just isn't being used right. It's the same tune you'll hear about our aide we give to other countries! Does this mean I give up? Certainly not. I'd like to do what I can with my own money, but alas, as the dollar leaves my hand, it usually has to be entrusted to those I give it to; be it directly to the poor locally or to an "organization". The best I can do is be smart about it.
06-08-2005, 02:29 PM
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[quote name='PhoenixDownVII' date='Jun 8 2005, 02:19 PM']Do you have any clue what you're talking about, ever? This is something started by Bono but not simply owned and run by himself, it's a team of people...
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Yes, its a GROUP of STARS, trying to get their name in the limlight as a bunch of do-gooders. BFD!
Answer the freaking question: What good is yet another charitable organization going to do? We already have a multitude of charities asking us to:
1. Save the world
2. Save the whales
3. Save the ***********
4. Help the homeless
5. Help the homeless veterns
6. Help the homeless unwed mothers
get the picture
There is only so much $$$$ that individuals and corporations are going to be willing to contribute. View that figure as a pie(donations), it can only be cut into so many slices (charities). The only effect another charity is going to have is to ensure that you get a smaller piece of pie.
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Yes, its a GROUP of STARS, trying to get their name in the limlight as a bunch of do-gooders. BFD!
Answer the freaking question: What good is yet another charitable organization going to do? We already have a multitude of charities asking us to:
1. Save the world
2. Save the whales
3. Save the ***********
4. Help the homeless
5. Help the homeless veterns
6. Help the homeless unwed mothers
get the picture
There is only so much $$$$ that individuals and corporations are going to be willing to contribute. View that figure as a pie(donations), it can only be cut into so many slices (charities). The only effect another charity is going to have is to ensure that you get a smaller piece of pie.
06-08-2005, 02:40 PM
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[quote name='banzaitoyota' date='Jun 8 2005, 03:29 PM']get the picture
There is only so much $$$$ that individuals and corporations are going to be willing to contribute. View that figure as a pie(donations), it can only be cut into so many slices (charities). The only effect another charity is going to have is to ensure that you get a smaller piece of pie.
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It's a group of Stars PROMOTING an organization set up by BONO with other executives, representatives, and world-traveling individuals. NOT just the stars taking our money because THEY somehow need it...
And your paragraph quoted, My goodness, where in this thread did I say all of your money and donations should go to this ONE organization? I never did. True, our money can only be cut into so many slices. But at the same time, we have enough people in our population that could give to this as well as other things. I can, and I make squat compared to many, many individuals.
It's all based on priorities, debt, and smart financial decisions.
There is only so much $$$$ that individuals and corporations are going to be willing to contribute. View that figure as a pie(donations), it can only be cut into so many slices (charities). The only effect another charity is going to have is to ensure that you get a smaller piece of pie.
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It's a group of Stars PROMOTING an organization set up by BONO with other executives, representatives, and world-traveling individuals. NOT just the stars taking our money because THEY somehow need it...
And your paragraph quoted, My goodness, where in this thread did I say all of your money and donations should go to this ONE organization? I never did. True, our money can only be cut into so many slices. But at the same time, we have enough people in our population that could give to this as well as other things. I can, and I make squat compared to many, many individuals.
It's all based on priorities, debt, and smart financial decisions.
06-08-2005, 02:47 PM
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Phoenix: You are missing the point.
Human Nature/economics dictates that only a certain % of all available $$$ will be donated to all charitable causes. Adding ANOTHER charitable cause only reduces the amount of money that each organization receives, which causes a net drop in the level of service that each charity provides.
Case in Point: 9/11 donations caused a DRASTIC drop in the amount of needed donations that other charities relied on.
Human Nature/economics dictates that only a certain % of all available $$$ will be donated to all charitable causes. Adding ANOTHER charitable cause only reduces the amount of money that each organization receives, which causes a net drop in the level of service that each charity provides.
Case in Point: 9/11 donations caused a DRASTIC drop in the amount of needed donations that other charities relied on.
06-08-2005, 02:47 PM
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theres one and only one solution to all the worlds problems and thats Gods kingdom. the kingdom that his son Jesus came down here to earth to tell us about. the one that everyone prays for, yet few truly believe in. and it shall be upon us all soon.
06-08-2005, 02:50 PM
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[quote name='banzaitoyota' date='Jun 8 2005, 03:47 PM']Phoenix: You are missing the point.
Human Nature/economics dictates that only a certain % of all available $$$ will be donated to all charitable causes. Adding ANOTHER charitable cause only reduces the amount of money that each organization receives, which causes a net drop in the level of service that each charity provides.
Case in Point: 9/11 donations caused a DRASTIC drop in the amount of needed donations that other charities relied on.
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Ahh, but you're talking on a political distribution type of thing, are you not? I am talking about our decision to donate to x, y, or z organization out of our own pockets. Ya know, the whole traditional Republican "Tax less and do what you want with your own money" type of thing. Even charity and money circulated here at home towards the poor doesn't always get used effectively....
Human Nature/economics dictates that only a certain % of all available $$$ will be donated to all charitable causes. Adding ANOTHER charitable cause only reduces the amount of money that each organization receives, which causes a net drop in the level of service that each charity provides.
Case in Point: 9/11 donations caused a DRASTIC drop in the amount of needed donations that other charities relied on.
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Ahh, but you're talking on a political distribution type of thing, are you not? I am talking about our decision to donate to x, y, or z organization out of our own pockets. Ya know, the whole traditional Republican "Tax less and do what you want with your own money" type of thing. Even charity and money circulated here at home towards the poor doesn't always get used effectively....
06-08-2005, 02:51 PM
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[quote name='treceb' date='Jun 8 2005, 03:47 PM']theres one and only one solution to all the worlds problems and thats Gods kingdom. the kingdom that his son Jesus came down here to earth to tell us about. the one that everyone prays for, yet few truly believe in. and it shall be upon us all soon.
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Are you joking? Only in that, as corny as that rubs off, it's what I live for. This opens up a whole can of worms on morale, religion, and "forcing" my faith on others, but all of my motivation and ideas on how things could be, or should be, are based on compassion and nature built up by knowing God and his Truth. But nevermind this, that'll blow this thread into a 20 page Jesus debate...heh
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Are you joking? Only in that, as corny as that rubs off, it's what I live for. This opens up a whole can of worms on morale, religion, and "forcing" my faith on others, but all of my motivation and ideas on how things could be, or should be, are based on compassion and nature built up by knowing God and his Truth. But nevermind this, that'll blow this thread into a 20 page Jesus debate...heh
06-08-2005, 02:54 PM
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Personally I think this argument is futile, but I just took a quick look at that one.org website and it tugs all the strings - sign this, ask the president to fight poverty, 1% more tax blah blah. I didn't see anywhere what exactly their plan is to do with all this money, which is common with 90% of these organisations - they seem to think that more money will solve their problems, but the real problem is that they're terribly disorganised and understaffed on site. I don't know whether this one is the same or not but all signs IMO point to yes.
Bono is a crackpot, but he is involved in the Jubilee cancel all international debts thing - now that is a good idea IMO. Give these countries a leg to stand on and let them sort their own issues.
I still can't believe we're talking about this in gen d
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Bono is a crackpot, but he is involved in the Jubilee cancel all international debts thing - now that is a good idea IMO. Give these countries a leg to stand on and let them sort their own issues.
I still can't believe we're talking about this in gen d
Mark