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06-08-2005, 12:28 PM
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OR HEY! HERE'S A NOVEL IDEA.
Realtors get 6% commision (READ EXTORTION) for selling your house. Since they are now under an ANTI-TRUST investigation, lets sanction them mmm 3% as a penalty for the industries past transcritions. Then they can send that $$$$ to feed the poor starving aids ridden masses
yeah my spelling sucks, so sue me!
Realtors get 6% commision (READ EXTORTION) for selling your house. Since they are now under an ANTI-TRUST investigation, lets sanction them mmm 3% as a penalty for the industries past transcritions. Then they can send that $$$$ to feed the poor starving aids ridden masses
yeah my spelling sucks, so sue me!
06-08-2005, 12:30 PM
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[quote name='Baldy' date='Jun 8 2005, 01:22 PM']I see MTV's Cribs, then a commercial with that celebrity asking me to give money. Why don't you sell one of your several multi-million dollar homes, and donate that. Rather than asking us struggling middle and lower class people to give up our hard-earned cash. Your luxury is you very own starbucks in your kitchen, your in-home recording studio, your sweet exotic cars, my luxury is a take-out meal from a decent Italian restaurant.
If someone's going to ask me to give money, it better not be a damned million-dollar celebrity.
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You have a point. However, at what margin should they give? They could still give $10k to the organization they are on there promoting, yet still afford their nice place.
How much do you need them to give? I know many in the One.org commercial have at LEAST given money if not have visited Africa themselves.
Some of the things they buy make sense, others are just obnoxious. Having a recording studio is convenient, but Mariah Carey having a 10 foot long closet of $300+ shoes she wore once seems like a waste to me. Auction it off and give it away. Once you've supressed so much of your needs, stop wasting it, give it to those in need.
I know my ideals and faith puts a spin on what I see "My" money as...
If someone's going to ask me to give money, it better not be a damned million-dollar celebrity.
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You have a point. However, at what margin should they give? They could still give $10k to the organization they are on there promoting, yet still afford their nice place.
How much do you need them to give? I know many in the One.org commercial have at LEAST given money if not have visited Africa themselves.
Some of the things they buy make sense, others are just obnoxious. Having a recording studio is convenient, but Mariah Carey having a 10 foot long closet of $300+ shoes she wore once seems like a waste to me. Auction it off and give it away. Once you've supressed so much of your needs, stop wasting it, give it to those in need.
I know my ideals and faith puts a spin on what I see "My" money as...
06-08-2005, 12:41 PM
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[quote name='PhoenixDownVII' date='Jun 8 2005, 10:20 AM']The fact is, there is an amount of money that can save these people.
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That's just a lie. The more money you spend, the more people there are to save. Where is the line drawn? I say it should be drawn at our shores!
You think the Ethiopian family can use your $20 more than the family living in a car in Detroit? Yer dead wrong.. And providing funds to third world countries, simultaneously neglecting our own impoverished people is asinine. Anyone who belives their "dollar a day" is going to help better the situation for the populous in those countries is ignorant. You want to contribute a dollar a day, contribute it to your local inner-city elementary school. Lack of education and resources is not limited to poor countries. It's right in your own backyard. The point of charity should be to better the individual so the individual can better society. I wonder how many Armani suits Bono has donated to the local homeless shelter?
And that commercial they show proves that it's just another form of awards ceremony for the rich - Like the Emmy's, where the wealthy sit around and pat eachother on the back for making millions for themselves. OOhhh.. look at me, I believe in an inane 'cause'! Someone recognize me for my philanthropy! Do I get a gold star?
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That's just a lie. The more money you spend, the more people there are to save. Where is the line drawn? I say it should be drawn at our shores!
You think the Ethiopian family can use your $20 more than the family living in a car in Detroit? Yer dead wrong.. And providing funds to third world countries, simultaneously neglecting our own impoverished people is asinine. Anyone who belives their "dollar a day" is going to help better the situation for the populous in those countries is ignorant. You want to contribute a dollar a day, contribute it to your local inner-city elementary school. Lack of education and resources is not limited to poor countries. It's right in your own backyard. The point of charity should be to better the individual so the individual can better society. I wonder how many Armani suits Bono has donated to the local homeless shelter?
And that commercial they show proves that it's just another form of awards ceremony for the rich - Like the Emmy's, where the wealthy sit around and pat eachother on the back for making millions for themselves. OOhhh.. look at me, I believe in an inane 'cause'! Someone recognize me for my philanthropy! Do I get a gold star?
06-08-2005, 12:50 PM
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[quote name='Sinful7' date='Jun 8 2005, 01:41 PM']That's just a lie. The more money you spend, the more people there are to save. Where is the line drawn? I say it should be drawn at our shores!
You think the Ethiopian family can use your $20 more than the family living in a car in Detroit? Yer dead wrong.. And providing funds to third world countries, simultaneously neglecting our own impoverished people is asinine. Anyone who belives their "dollar a day" is going to help better the situation for the populous in those countries is ignorant. You want to contribute a dollar a day, contribute it to your local inner-city elementary school. Lack of education and resources is not limited to poor countries. It's right in your own backyard. The point of charity should be to better the individual so the individual can better society. I wonder how many Armani suits Bono has donated to the local homeless shelter?
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Again, you are addressing an issue that is nothing new.
Do I give money and service to things locally? You bet. I am doing my part both locally, and now abroad.
No matter what you say, it seems that no celebrity could ever give enough money to an organization to be accepted. I guess that's a catch 22 you and banzai put them in, which sucks more for you and not them, since you've made such generalizations (while mostly true) run your decisions.
And in reference to what you said Banzai: The point is, I give what I can and do to all things I am addressed with. Sure, my wallet could stretch for more giving (sell the FD for more $ for it), but at what point will my giving satisfy you? Probably never. It's good thing I don't live by your approval then huh?
And you don't have to live by mine either, which is why you can sit here and deny giving money to any charity and drive an FC
You think the Ethiopian family can use your $20 more than the family living in a car in Detroit? Yer dead wrong.. And providing funds to third world countries, simultaneously neglecting our own impoverished people is asinine. Anyone who belives their "dollar a day" is going to help better the situation for the populous in those countries is ignorant. You want to contribute a dollar a day, contribute it to your local inner-city elementary school. Lack of education and resources is not limited to poor countries. It's right in your own backyard. The point of charity should be to better the individual so the individual can better society. I wonder how many Armani suits Bono has donated to the local homeless shelter?
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Again, you are addressing an issue that is nothing new.
Do I give money and service to things locally? You bet. I am doing my part both locally, and now abroad.
No matter what you say, it seems that no celebrity could ever give enough money to an organization to be accepted. I guess that's a catch 22 you and banzai put them in, which sucks more for you and not them, since you've made such generalizations (while mostly true) run your decisions.
And in reference to what you said Banzai: The point is, I give what I can and do to all things I am addressed with. Sure, my wallet could stretch for more giving (sell the FD for more $ for it), but at what point will my giving satisfy you? Probably never. It's good thing I don't live by your approval then huh?
And you don't have to live by mine either, which is why you can sit here and deny giving money to any charity and drive an FC
06-08-2005, 12:53 PM
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[quote name='Sinful7' date='Jun 8 2005, 01:41 PM'] I wonder how many Armani suits Bono has donated to the local homeless shelter?
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Don't be hypocritical, you said it yourself: Survival of the fittest. He managed to be rich, and his luxury is a result of that. See my response to baldy; I just feel there is a medium between rewarding yourself with what you've very well earned, but also giving to those in need.
Just because I am promoting giving to those in need hardly suggests I feel you shouldn't reward yourself and family with earnings you rightfully deserved. There's just an extremity in all things I think we could stay away from.
Werd.
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Don't be hypocritical, you said it yourself: Survival of the fittest. He managed to be rich, and his luxury is a result of that. See my response to baldy; I just feel there is a medium between rewarding yourself with what you've very well earned, but also giving to those in need.
Just because I am promoting giving to those in need hardly suggests I feel you shouldn't reward yourself and family with earnings you rightfully deserved. There's just an extremity in all things I think we could stay away from.
Werd.
06-08-2005, 12:57 PM
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The work and effort I give to a $500k home at 4% (where'd you get 6% from, lol, not anymore!) will be the same I give to a $2.5m estate.
6% came from this article, for one
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:cL-V6...nti-trust&hl=en
dammit, I honestly thought I hit quote on this instead of edit, my apologies
The work and effort I give to a $500k home at 4% (where'd you get 6% from, lol, not anymore!) will be the same I give to a $2.5m estate.
6% came from this article, for one
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:cL-V6...nti-trust&hl=en
dammit, I honestly thought I hit quote on this instead of edit, my apologies
06-08-2005, 01:45 PM
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[quote name='PhoenixDownVII' date='Jun 8 2005, 10:50 AM']Again, you are addressing an issue that is nothing new.
Do I give money and service to things locally? You bet. I am doing my part both locally, and now abroad.
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Why split your funds? They're much better appropriated at home. My point is giving money away to any other country, regardless of intent, is wasteful and disrespectful.
I don't have the availble resources to donate cash. I have expensive fun. i can admit that. But everything I do donate (clothes, time) stays in my neighborhood where it helps my friends and my neighbors the most.
Do I give money and service to things locally? You bet. I am doing my part both locally, and now abroad.
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Why split your funds? They're much better appropriated at home. My point is giving money away to any other country, regardless of intent, is wasteful and disrespectful.
I don't have the availble resources to donate cash. I have expensive fun. i can admit that. But everything I do donate (clothes, time) stays in my neighborhood where it helps my friends and my neighbors the most.
06-08-2005, 01:48 PM
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[quote name='PhoenixDownVII' date='Jun 8 2005, 10:53 AM']Don't be hypocritical, you said it yourself: Survival of the fittest. He managed to be rich, and his luxury is a result of that. See my response to baldy; I just feel there is a medium between rewarding yourself with what you've very well earned, but also giving to those in need.
Just because I am promoting giving to those in need hardly suggests I feel you shouldn't reward yourself and family with earnings you rightfully deserved. There's just an extremity in all things I think we could stay away from.
Werd.
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I'm not being hypocritical - I'm saying that you should keep what you earn and donate LOCALLY when you feel like it. This guy obviously thinks a lot of his money should go to places where the impact is less great, and the effort is increasingly futile.
Just because I am promoting giving to those in need hardly suggests I feel you shouldn't reward yourself and family with earnings you rightfully deserved. There's just an extremity in all things I think we could stay away from.
Werd.
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I'm not being hypocritical - I'm saying that you should keep what you earn and donate LOCALLY when you feel like it. This guy obviously thinks a lot of his money should go to places where the impact is less great, and the effort is increasingly futile.