Much Torque+much Hp = No Traction?!
10-01-2003, 12:41 PM
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ok, just qurious as to how much truth is there to this statement made by someone on this forum who will remain nameless:
"If he could manage as much HP as I have, he would have no traction due to the immense amount of torque that comes with it."
"If he could manage as much HP as I have, he would have no traction due to the immense amount of torque that comes with it."
10-01-2003, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by epion2985' date='Oct 1 2003, 01:41 PM
ok, just qurious as to how much truth is there to this statement made by someone on this forum who will remain nameless:
"If he could manage as much HP as I have, he would have no traction due to the immense amount of torque that comes with it."
"If he could manage as much HP as I have, he would have no traction due to the immense amount of torque that comes with it."
More or less, balance, weight transfer, tire size and type, etc etc make a big difference.
Supra's are sometimes considered to have poor traction and they aren't exactly all torque + high-displ. like our american muscle.
I think its a poor excuse as to why his friend shouldn't get as much HP as him...he's just afraid!
There's other factors to consider.
10-01-2003, 12:52 PM
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in the reference to a ls1 vs a 13b in an fd, and this person stated that if the ls1 will put out as much hp as he then he wont have traction because of the huge amount of torque.
I am just qurious to how true is that.
I am just qurious to how true is that.
10-01-2003, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by epion2985' date='Oct 1 2003, 12:52 PM
in the reference to a ls1 vs a 13b in an fd, and this person stated that if the ls1 will put out as much hp as he then he wont have traction because of the huge amount of torque.
I am just qurious to how true is that.
I am just qurious to how true is that.
10-01-2003, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by epion2985' date='Oct 1 2003, 01:52 PM
in the reference to a ls1 vs a 13b in an fd, and this person stated that if the ls1 will put out as much hp as he then he wont have traction because of the huge amount of torque.
I am just qurious to how true is that.
I am just qurious to how true is that.
I suppose this came out of the v8-h8in FD owners and rotary enthusiast discussions as to why nobody should drop a v8 in eh...
The powerband will be different, and it will take a diff type of feathering to not go too far and squeal the tires with more torque of course...but I don't think its a serious issue that will have the 13b equipped FD running circles...
10-01-2003, 01:00 PM
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For what it is worth.
My '00 Mustang GT had 300 ft lbs torque and 260 FlywheelHP weighed 3600 lbs.
My TII at the time had 225 RWHP and 195 ft. lb torque weighed 2690 lbs.
I have Autocrossed both on the same exact tires and rims.
The Mustang was a pain in the *** every time I even touched the gas I would loose rear traction and it would try to come around. The RX-7 would not.
Now my RX-7 has 320RWHP and 310 Ft. Lbs Torque and it will loose traction very easy.
I hope this helps you out.
My '00 Mustang GT had 300 ft lbs torque and 260 FlywheelHP weighed 3600 lbs.
My TII at the time had 225 RWHP and 195 ft. lb torque weighed 2690 lbs.
I have Autocrossed both on the same exact tires and rims.
The Mustang was a pain in the *** every time I even touched the gas I would loose rear traction and it would try to come around. The RX-7 would not.
Now my RX-7 has 320RWHP and 310 Ft. Lbs Torque and it will loose traction very easy.
I hope this helps you out.
10-01-2003, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Jims5543' date='Oct 1 2003, 10:00 AM
For what it is worth.
My '00 Mustang GT had 300 ft lbs torque and 260 FlywheelHP weighed 3600 lbs.
My TII at the time had 225 RWHP and 195 ft. lb torque weighed 2690 lbs.
I have Autocrossed both on the same exact tires and rims.
The Mustang was a pain in the *** every time I even touched the gas I would loose rear traction and it would try to come around. The RX-7 would not.
Now my RX-7 has 320RWHP and 310 Ft. Lbs Torque and it will loose traction very easy.
I hope this helps you out.
My '00 Mustang GT had 300 ft lbs torque and 260 FlywheelHP weighed 3600 lbs.
My TII at the time had 225 RWHP and 195 ft. lb torque weighed 2690 lbs.
I have Autocrossed both on the same exact tires and rims.
The Mustang was a pain in the *** every time I even touched the gas I would loose rear traction and it would try to come around. The RX-7 would not.
Now my RX-7 has 320RWHP and 310 Ft. Lbs Torque and it will loose traction very easy.
I hope this helps you out.