What do you make of this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4...&q=clarkson

its a bit of rubbish wot?

what an english prick spends the whole time ripping on america and then races cars that are in far different catagories then say look englands better also let him try walking across an intersection like that in jersey rofl "nobody will hit me" yeah good luck

take it easy guy, hes from england, they do cars entirely different.



think about mercedes, bmw, ferrari, lamborghini, (germans, italians, etc)



and they see america as... cavaliers, sunfires, cobalts, grand ams.. oh hang on, chevy has one performance car? the corvette? neat



other countries arent without econoboxes, but our population density versus theirs, we are able to own tons of econoboxes and people are happy.



in england they have taxes if you have your car in the city limits per day. real estate is too valuable. america? tons of room. how many people do you know that own one or more cars?

ps that guy has driven more cars than anyone on the board here. if anyone is qualified to cut up american performance, its him, thats all im saying

I agree with him for the most part. Mostly disposable junk. Like a Bic lighter.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683683.gif

but bics are the good lighters its all the others you have to be wary of lol

I would agree on the fact that he has the credentials to critique any vehicle, but I think some of his comments and assessments were a little off because of his personal overall dislike of the greatest country in the world. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.gif



One thing I thought was funny is how he slammed on the viper so much about having a noisy interior. How many people do you know that own a viper as a daily driver? lol and then comparing it to a ariel atom on the track ... give me a break.



It seemed like he was comparing cars from different classes and of WAY too big price margins. There are a lot of shitty ... and I do emphisize shitty.. european cars.



But overall I still like the show, its a great show. I'll just remember to fly a bigger american flag around the next time I visit England.

but seriously.



He is taking an esclade and trying to go mountain climbing. An H2 would make it up, not an esclade with 22's



its all BS, its so biased it isnt even funny.

Yea,

I see the same thing.

Why didn’t he compare the real Hummer(not the suburban H2), which is in the same price range as the Rover and designed for off road use with nice amenities?

He then drives on “the road” up and down, while some assclown takes the hood- cruiser Escalade and the HummerH2 out of the city and goes up the side of the mountain on a hump that a jacked up truck would find difficult.

You guys say he has all this experience...why does this dumbass say the Vette has leaf springs? He actually refers to a horse and cart somewhere. What he needs to do is compare the Vette to a car in its price range and weight, same with the Mustang. This dick was so off base I couldn’t watch anymore of his British ignorance. Why is he comparing all the other countries to America? Apples to apples British vehicles of the same use cost and weight. BTW what car won the 24hours the last few years...an American horsecart: Corvette.



****4th over all and 1st in class in 2006 :*****

4 64 Corvette Racing LMGT1 GAVIN O.



***5th/6thoverall and 1st in class 2005:****

5 Chevrolet Corvette... N°64 Corvette Racing Gavin, Beretta...

6 Chevrolet Corvette... N°63 Corvette Racing Fellows, O Connell...



***6Th/8th over all and 1st and 2nd in class in 2004****

6 Chevrolet Corvette... N°64 Corvette Racing Gavin, Beretta...

8 Chevrolet Corvette... N°63 Corvette Racing Fellows, O Connell...



***2003****

1st.2nd in class

11 Chevrolet Corvette... N°50 Corvette Racing G... Gavin, Pilgrim...

12 Chevrolet Corvette... N°53 Corvette Racing G...

I ment a H3!

yeah but he also compared the atom to the dodge 1500 pick up truck im sure there in the same catagory

yea and they called the viper cheap to buy, which is nuts.



you want offroad you go jeep grand cherokee, he chose outside of the categories it wasn't a good matchup but he was still funny.



kevin.

I ment a H3!

i didnt mean to double post!

FWIW I thought it was completely biased too, clarkson's a tool anyway - he knows cars and how to drive them far better than he lets on, so it annoys me that he can't give an intellegent review rather than tv for 12 year olds.



Still cool to see lotus's beating mustangs with twice the hp etc. (even if it's all rigged) and I reckon we do/did better muscle cars in europe though - 400bhp+ v8 weighing just over a tonne/2200lbs: http://members.fortunecity.com/freec...cerbera_02.jpg

h2, h3, escalade... same chassis virtually.. no?

Hes just mad his family didnt leave with the smart folk and end up here.

Dont believe so. Mabye the h3/esclade



The h3 is not anyways. Apparently the h3's are badass offroad, but dont do anything else well...

The video is all in good fun. I think any car guy would see the comparisons were ridiculous.



Anyway, a brit complaining about how American cars have shoddy build quality is the pot calling the kettle black.

lol that's so true! at least the brits build em badly with nice materials though!

meh, i still dont like american cars but i mean come on... they have seats and fiats and such.



let's do an srt4 vs a fiat or a cobalt ss vs a seat.



hell if youre gonna try to use the ariel atom, put it against a kit car made in the USA like on of factory five's cars or something.



i could care less that he ripped on american cars but if it was a fair comparison id be more interested. it was still funny to watch.



kevin.

Not to disagree entirely with what you're saying, but there's not a whole lot wrong with seats - loos wise they're up there with Alfa, the new Leon's a lovely looking car and there's a 200bhp version too.



Re. the ariel atom vs. factory 5 thing, in England the kit/track car phenomenom is huge, you're not going to get cars like the atom anywhere else in the world IMO. I remember someone here was looking at a factory 5 (rob I think) and just from looking at the chassis you could see it wasn't up to much. Not that that makes it a bad car - I remember thinking it looked fantastic, and they make some of the most accurate looking cobra replicas IIRC.

if you take a stock rx8, and a factory 5 with its spec series engine (stockish 5.0) the factory 5 is a little faster in the twisties than the 8, but the factory 5 and the rx8 are dead even in the straights.



the atom should absolutely destry the factory 5.



they look neat, but arent fast

I work right next door to Factory Five Racing. And ive seen their new "GTM supercar" in person. If your gonna compare anything to the atom, compare that.



http://www.factoryfive.com/table/ffrkits/GTM/specs.html

I will tell you why I can't take anything Jeremy Clarkson says seriously... because he is an idiot who in reality knows very little about cars and how to drive them. I have noticed so many inconsistencies in his test drives it is not even funny. He makes so many rookie mistakes that anyone with an ounce of the automotive industry knowledge would never make. From watching this video it is no different…



How can anyone with any amount of credibility make a show that has a segment that clearly states they are pitting a 4.6L V8 mustang against a horse when it is obvious that the mustang he is driving is a V6 model?



If American cars are not his “thing” and his knowledge of them is not that great then he should do some research given he is a freaken automotive Journalist.



The sad part is I see so many of these kinds f mistakes in his tests it is actually sad.



If he would rather look at the rear end of a baboon I suggest he walk by a mirror.

now thats different! when do we start?



my money's still on the atom, btw, although it would be a good race.



http://www.arielmotor.co.uk/04/frames.htm



4.45lbs/hp for the atom



4.36 for the big block FF

That's the factory 5 model I was on about. Power to weight might be close, but that's just straight like performance, the atom has half the weight to drag around the corners so I reckon it'd do a lot better.



How'd you figure the mustang was a v6? certainly looked and sounded like the roush? Whatever else you can say about clarkson you can't deny he's good at making money. He knows his stuff though, he's been in the business a long time and some of his earlier stuff is really good to watch - turn's out the people that buy his videos are morons, so he just gives them something they can relate to.

H3 is built on that shitty econo colorodo chassis isnt it?



and who says the original hummer is in the same price as a range rover?

original hummer will run you well over $130k with no options and no tax

What said Roush about that stang to you?



It has V6 rims, V6 front Grille (No big fog lights), No GT badge on the side, No Dual Exhaust. It's a V6. 100%



He makes good money but that’s about all that's good.



Some other annoying thoughts that come to mind about him is when he bought a Ford GT that had an aftermarket alarm installed on it that kept failing and killing the car. This was a Company local to him but rather than blame the company he blames Ford. (Ford did contract out this company to install the alarms on the GT though.



He tested the SVT Lightning and made fun of the interior because it was falling apart (poking fun at Ford) yet it was a Local aftermarket company that did a Right Hand Drive conversion on the Lightings sold over there. I.E. the fact that the interior was falling apart had nothing to do with Ford.



There are a bunch more that I have seen and that are a lot worse but I digress.



I would love to have his job and he has his funny moments now and then but he just makes too many errors to be taken seriously.

I did a quick search since I was sure I could not be the only one who noticed this error and it did not take long to find I was right.



http://www.digg.com/users/HighPressure/videos/dugg

Oh right, I wouldn't know about that one - we don't have mustangs here so I'd be lucky if I could tell whether it was a v6, but the one racing the exige was a roush wasnt it?

That could very well be. To be honest I stopped watching after the test with the horse and the Mustang.

how about getting herpes ?

i mean a z06 ,

Yeah typo. I was wasted when replying to this thread https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/blink.gif

yea the v6 vert stang is the slowest one, thats why they used it.



anyway we all sound like a bunch of magazine racers now, what has he done to us!



the atom is cool, but i mean.....its a go kart, come on. an overly engineered gokart. i understand its crazy abilities and bla bla bla, and eprsonally i like the car. but comparing any car in the world to a over-engineered 300bhp go-kart is like comparing a pornstar to jailbait.



kevin.

if your gonna go on about the video and bash him at least watch the whole thing, yes there was a roush and he said it was amazing, and ive been in many fords, svt's cobras, and a lightning and the interiors are ****. they are comfy for the most part but the quality of interior switches and handles are ****. same with vettes interiors are ****. the interior in my last audi was SOLID some of the electronics were a pain to fix when they broke and parts were spendy but i would rather pay out my ass and have a car that didnt crack into 100 pieces

When I see an automotive journalist saying he is sitting in a 300hp 4.6L mustang when it is in fact a V6 there is nothing he can say in the rest of the video that will change my opinion of their journalistic talent.



The interiors of the Lighting (most Fords for that matter) is not the greatest and I have never refuted that. My point was, as stated above, he was making reference to the fact that it was falling apart and things didn’t align right and that was obviously the fault of the company that did the conversion.

well your audi is 1 in a million then.



every audi/vw ive been in generally has broken cupholders, sunvisors, gloveboxes, ashtrays and numerous other things. and lets not get started on the cost to replace the glovebox on a stupid vw...or well any of those things really. it seems to always start at around $300 for anything.



hell my vw's DOOR LATCH BROKE. and i figure "ehh under $100 easy"....but noooooo its some stupid computerized ******* door latch that was like $400 AT COST. nevermind the fact i had to drive to my shop holding the door closed so it wouldnt swing open wildly.



kevin.