I'm Not So Sure About My New Flight Instructor
03-15-2005, 06:11 PM
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Exaclty what were the temps on the ground and aloft? Were there any pireps for icing in the area?
I have done plenty of instruction flights in rain. No big deal. Just depends what the temps are if you are going to have icing problems. If it is below 6C on the surface I would be weary of practice area work . Unless you were staying in the patern.
Just because there is an airmet for icing dosen't mean it is gonna cause you a problem.
That is great that you are checking the weather. However, I would say it is the instructors call on what you are going to be doing.
Before you throw a fit about going out the airport and not fly what about ground school? The airplane is a lousy classroom. Do you have your written done?
Where are you in your training?
The ONLY thing about your instructor that concerns me is he endorsed your logbook for a solo cross country and let you go with a bad initial heading. Did he not check your preflight planning?
Are you on flightinfo.com?
James
I have done plenty of instruction flights in rain. No big deal. Just depends what the temps are if you are going to have icing problems. If it is below 6C on the surface I would be weary of practice area work . Unless you were staying in the patern.
Just because there is an airmet for icing dosen't mean it is gonna cause you a problem.
That is great that you are checking the weather. However, I would say it is the instructors call on what you are going to be doing.
Before you throw a fit about going out the airport and not fly what about ground school? The airplane is a lousy classroom. Do you have your written done?
Where are you in your training?
The ONLY thing about your instructor that concerns me is he endorsed your logbook for a solo cross country and let you go with a bad initial heading. Did he not check your preflight planning?
Are you on flightinfo.com?
James
03-15-2005, 10:09 PM
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[quote name='94touring' date='Mar 15 2005, 10:49 AM']Wake up this morning at 7am and call the weather briefer. At the time the weather was good enough to fly, clouds were 7k overcast but an airmat for icing. Bad news was at 9am the weather was going to turn bad with rain and the clouds were coming down to 3k. My flight was at 8:30 so I decided to weather cancel since the rain was moving in and clouds were going to be a factor. Call this guy up and give him all the details on the weather and he's like well go ahead and go down there and get the plane to see what its going to do. So I'm thinking to myself **** this guy is going to make me drive my *** down there to just turn right back around. I gather my **** and head out at 7:45. As soon as I pull the car out of the garage it begins to sprinkle. I'm thinking this is ******* stupid. By the time I get to the airport at 8 the clouds are down to 4k broken and 5k overcast and its a steady light shower. So I call this guy again. I'm like man are you down here yet cause its raining already and the clouds are moving in. Then he says acting like I'm a lazy bum who doesn't want to fly...well if you don't want to fly...you can drive your car in the rain you know, so you can fly too. I kinda laugh it off and say well i'll see you when you get here. This crazy bastard wanted me to fly in the rain in icing conditions with clouds moving in and visibility dropping, **** that. Not like you can just pull over on the side of the road like a "car". If I were instrument rated in a instrument rated plane with de-icing I'd go. I'll probably ready about him in the paper one day. He's a new instructor and about 22 years old, maybe he's a little too gung ho. I think the part that irritates me the most is, I could easily see another student or someone really fresh get peer pressured into flying, then get caught in shitty weather and killing themselves. I refuse to take chances on days like today.
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no de-icing and no instruments in bad weather is a big no no. How hard is it to get into flying... on a dollar per dollar comparison is it cheaper or more expensive than racing?
Don't you have a supermarine spit-fire?
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no de-icing and no instruments in bad weather is a big no no. How hard is it to get into flying... on a dollar per dollar comparison is it cheaper or more expensive than racing?
Don't you have a supermarine spit-fire?
03-15-2005, 10:10 PM
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[quote name='wanksta' date='Mar 15 2005, 04:11 PM']
Are you on flightinfo.com?
James
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flightinfo.com is a piece of crap. its worse than the evil forum.
what makes it so terrible is that pilots are worse than mechanics when it comes to knowing everything, and the ones with higher time think they are gods.
go there and expect to get flamed.. and no matter what your credentials are, no ones going to believe you because they think your a noob and that no one can be better than them.
Are you on flightinfo.com?
James
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flightinfo.com is a piece of crap. its worse than the evil forum.
what makes it so terrible is that pilots are worse than mechanics when it comes to knowing everything, and the ones with higher time think they are gods.
go there and expect to get flamed.. and no matter what your credentials are, no ones going to believe you because they think your a noob and that no one can be better than them.
03-15-2005, 10:12 PM
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[quote name='boxrs4sale' date='Mar 15 2005, 11:58 AM']sounds like you have a basket case.. i'd finda new one
this past weekend i was doing one of my solo cross country. first off, i fly out of the air base here, so when you file a flight plan, nothing is activated until you take off. second, they put me in a "better" airplane because the one i was signed up to use had a problem with the vor...
in other words; base operations takes care of activating your plan when you take off.. well, they activated it as soon as they recieved the fax, instead of when i took off... so im on my first leg... made great time, and landed in ocean city.. i walk inside to get an endorsement, and the lady at the front desk is like "thank God you made it".. "your 30 minutes late"... i was like "um, no, im 30 minutes early ( i always give myself an extra 30 minutes on my flight plan just in case anything were to happen)
so i close my plan, get it all straightened out just before they sent search and rescue operationis out to look for me..
so im on my second leg out to accomack, va.. ceiling was at 4500' and visibility was dropping rapidly. overcast like crazy and i was afraid that i wouldn't be able to make out the airport on the ground soon.. anyways, weather starts clearing up and im about 5-10 minutes from where im supposed to land. i start looking for the airport, but i cannot find it (just a tiny strip... pretty small runway) so I decide to use vor and figure if i was above or below the airport.. guess what.. vor was screwed in this airplane too.. i couldn't select a frequency on the dial... now its either keep going (thinking i may have over/undershot the airport) or turn around.. finally airport comes into sight.. relief..
anyways, from having them almost call search and rescue, to flying an airplane with crap instruments and weather looking iffy the whole way down.. it was an experience...
umm.. but yeah, ditch the instructor... (sorry about the story)
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No GPS?
this past weekend i was doing one of my solo cross country. first off, i fly out of the air base here, so when you file a flight plan, nothing is activated until you take off. second, they put me in a "better" airplane because the one i was signed up to use had a problem with the vor...
in other words; base operations takes care of activating your plan when you take off.. well, they activated it as soon as they recieved the fax, instead of when i took off... so im on my first leg... made great time, and landed in ocean city.. i walk inside to get an endorsement, and the lady at the front desk is like "thank God you made it".. "your 30 minutes late"... i was like "um, no, im 30 minutes early ( i always give myself an extra 30 minutes on my flight plan just in case anything were to happen)
so i close my plan, get it all straightened out just before they sent search and rescue operationis out to look for me..
so im on my second leg out to accomack, va.. ceiling was at 4500' and visibility was dropping rapidly. overcast like crazy and i was afraid that i wouldn't be able to make out the airport on the ground soon.. anyways, weather starts clearing up and im about 5-10 minutes from where im supposed to land. i start looking for the airport, but i cannot find it (just a tiny strip... pretty small runway) so I decide to use vor and figure if i was above or below the airport.. guess what.. vor was screwed in this airplane too.. i couldn't select a frequency on the dial... now its either keep going (thinking i may have over/undershot the airport) or turn around.. finally airport comes into sight.. relief..
anyways, from having them almost call search and rescue, to flying an airplane with crap instruments and weather looking iffy the whole way down.. it was an experience...
umm.. but yeah, ditch the instructor... (sorry about the story)
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No GPS?
03-16-2005, 12:17 AM
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[quote name='wanksta' date='Mar 15 2005, 04:11 PM']Exaclty what were the temps on the ground and aloft? Were there any pireps for icing in the area?
I have done plenty of instruction flights in rain. No big deal. Just depends what the temps are if you are going to have icing problems. If it is below 6C on the surface I would be weary of practice area work . Unless you were staying in the patern.
Just because there is an airmet for icing dosen't mean it is gonna cause you a problem.
That is great that you are checking the weather. However, I would say it is the instructors call on what you are going to be doing.
Before you throw a fit about going out the airport and not fly what about ground school? The airplane is a lousy classroom. Do you have your written done?
Where are you in your training?
The ONLY thing about your instructor that concerns me is he endorsed your logbook for a solo cross country and let you go with a bad initial heading. Did he not check your preflight planning?
Are you on flightinfo.com?
James
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I'm a private pilot half way finished with my commericial and starting on my instrument. The ONLY person who makes the final go decision would be me the pilot in command. This morning it was 8c on the surface, freeze level was reported at 2800, clouds were dropping, rain moving in the area, and a 737 at international reported rhime ice on final. If nearly 2 years of ground school has taught me one thing its not to become a hazordous attitude pilot who thinks he can fly in any kind of weather. "macho- taking risks are foolish", ring a bell? I have flown in the rain several times myself, but if you add ice and a dropping cloud ceiling to the picture and expect me to go, I'll call you an idiot every time.
I have done plenty of instruction flights in rain. No big deal. Just depends what the temps are if you are going to have icing problems. If it is below 6C on the surface I would be weary of practice area work . Unless you were staying in the patern.
Just because there is an airmet for icing dosen't mean it is gonna cause you a problem.
That is great that you are checking the weather. However, I would say it is the instructors call on what you are going to be doing.
Before you throw a fit about going out the airport and not fly what about ground school? The airplane is a lousy classroom. Do you have your written done?
Where are you in your training?
The ONLY thing about your instructor that concerns me is he endorsed your logbook for a solo cross country and let you go with a bad initial heading. Did he not check your preflight planning?
Are you on flightinfo.com?
James
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I'm a private pilot half way finished with my commericial and starting on my instrument. The ONLY person who makes the final go decision would be me the pilot in command. This morning it was 8c on the surface, freeze level was reported at 2800, clouds were dropping, rain moving in the area, and a 737 at international reported rhime ice on final. If nearly 2 years of ground school has taught me one thing its not to become a hazordous attitude pilot who thinks he can fly in any kind of weather. "macho- taking risks are foolish", ring a bell? I have flown in the rain several times myself, but if you add ice and a dropping cloud ceiling to the picture and expect me to go, I'll call you an idiot every time.
03-16-2005, 12:02 PM
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[quote name='94touring' date='Mar 15 2005, 10:17 PM'] I have flown in the rain several times myself, but if you add ice and a dropping cloud ceiling to the picture and expect me to go, I'll call you an idiot every time.
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I FLY IN ICE ALL THE TIME ! ITS FUN !! I GET MAD LIFT YO AND MY WINGS LOOK LIKE CRYSTAL !!
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I FLY IN ICE ALL THE TIME ! ITS FUN !! I GET MAD LIFT YO AND MY WINGS LOOK LIKE CRYSTAL !!