Don Touch My Sword!
06-01-2005, 09:05 AM
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Stupid China -
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,...6a4560,00.html
BEIJING: A Shanghai online game player stabbed to death a competitor who sold his cyber-sword, the China Daily said yesterday, creating a dilemma in China where no law exists for the ownership of virtual weapons.
Qiu Chengwei, 41, stabbed competitor Zhu Caoyuan repeatedly in the chest after he was told Zhu had sold his "dragon sabre", used in the popular online game Legend of Mir 3, the newspaper said a Shanghai court was told.
Legend of Mir 3 features heroes and villains, sorcerers and warriors, many of whom wield enormous swords.
Qiu and a friend jointly won their weapon last February, and lent it to Zhu who then sold it for 7200 yuan ($NZ1241), the newspaper said.
Qui went to the police to report the "theft" but was told the weapon was not real property protected by law.
"Zhu promised to hand over the cash but an angry Qui lost patience and attacked Zhu at his home, stabbing him in the left chest with great force and killing him," the court was told.
The newspaper did not specify the charge against Qiu but said he had given himself up to police and already pleaded guilty to "intentional injury".
No verdict has been announced.
More and more online gamers were seeking justice through the courts over stolen weapons and credits, the newspaper said.
"The armour and swords in games should be deemed as private property as players have to spend money and time for them," **** Zongyu, an associate law professor at Beijing's Renmin University of China, was quoted as saying.
But other experts are calling for caution. "The 'assets' of one player could mean nothing to others as they are by nature just data created by game providers," a lawyer for a Shanghai-based internet game company was quoted as saying.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,...6a4560,00.html
BEIJING: A Shanghai online game player stabbed to death a competitor who sold his cyber-sword, the China Daily said yesterday, creating a dilemma in China where no law exists for the ownership of virtual weapons.
Qiu Chengwei, 41, stabbed competitor Zhu Caoyuan repeatedly in the chest after he was told Zhu had sold his "dragon sabre", used in the popular online game Legend of Mir 3, the newspaper said a Shanghai court was told.
Legend of Mir 3 features heroes and villains, sorcerers and warriors, many of whom wield enormous swords.
Qiu and a friend jointly won their weapon last February, and lent it to Zhu who then sold it for 7200 yuan ($NZ1241), the newspaper said.
Qui went to the police to report the "theft" but was told the weapon was not real property protected by law.
"Zhu promised to hand over the cash but an angry Qui lost patience and attacked Zhu at his home, stabbing him in the left chest with great force and killing him," the court was told.
The newspaper did not specify the charge against Qiu but said he had given himself up to police and already pleaded guilty to "intentional injury".
No verdict has been announced.
More and more online gamers were seeking justice through the courts over stolen weapons and credits, the newspaper said.
"The armour and swords in games should be deemed as private property as players have to spend money and time for them," **** Zongyu, an associate law professor at Beijing's Renmin University of China, was quoted as saying.
But other experts are calling for caution. "The 'assets' of one player could mean nothing to others as they are by nature just data created by game providers," a lawyer for a Shanghai-based internet game company was quoted as saying.
06-01-2005, 10:32 AM
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It's not that stupid really. We are rapidly approaching a time where, for most people, "money" consists of some numbers in an online account, and transactions are done electronically, thereby adding to and diminishing the quantity of virtual monetary units. Who's to say that a virtual asset doesn't have real value?
06-01-2005, 11:16 AM
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But the "virtual money" you spend (whether it's a green piece of paper or a plastic card with a magnetic strip) is representative of *actual* gold held by the government.
A virtual sword is representative of nothing... there is no real sword anywhere for the geek to claim ownership of.
A virtual sword is representative of nothing... there is no real sword anywhere for the geek to claim ownership of.
06-01-2005, 12:24 PM
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actually i dont think our money has been gold based in some time
its more of a credit system now, we have faith that the government will back up the amount of money not that there is actual gold forevery dollar out on the market
its more of a credit system now, we have faith that the government will back up the amount of money not that there is actual gold forevery dollar out on the market
06-01-2005, 12:37 PM
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[quote name='Lothema' date='Jun 1 2005, 10:24 AM']actually i dont think our money has been gold based in some time
its more of a credit system now, we have faith that the government will back up the amount of money not that there is actual gold forevery dollar out on the market
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Correct, the gold standard was abandoned buy the U.S. in 1971.
its more of a credit system now, we have faith that the government will back up the amount of money not that there is actual gold forevery dollar out on the market
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Correct, the gold standard was abandoned buy the U.S. in 1971.
06-01-2005, 12:49 PM
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[quote name='89 Rag' date='Jun 1 2005, 12:37 PM']Correct, the gold standard was abandoned buy the U.S. in 1971.
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Exactly. The dollars in your bank account are as real as a virtual sword.
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Exactly. The dollars in your bank account are as real as a virtual sword.
06-01-2005, 12:50 PM
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This type of thing is becoming way more prevealent, especially with the popularity of MMORPGs.
I'm awaiting the moment when WoW enters the news like this...
It truly is a new age when you can fight over virtual items...
I'm awaiting the moment when WoW enters the news like this...
It truly is a new age when you can fight over virtual items...
06-01-2005, 12:51 PM
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You see the point though, right? His sword is representative of nothing tangable in the real world. My bank account IS. I can take the "virtual" money in my bank account and turn it into real money... He can't do that with the sword.
If a hacker went into his system and changed the coding so that in the game he no longer had a sword.... was something stolen from him (in the convetional sense that someone could be charged with the crime)? IMO the answer is clearly no.
If a hacker went into his system and changed the coding so that in the game he no longer had a sword.... was something stolen from him (in the convetional sense that someone could be charged with the crime)? IMO the answer is clearly no.
06-01-2005, 12:53 PM
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[quote name='Travis R' date='Jun 1 2005, 09:51 AM']If a hacker went into his system and changed the coding so that in the game he no longer had a sword.... was something stolen from him (in the convetional sense that someone could be charged with the crime)? IMO the answer is clearly no.
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exactly... as i stated earlier. what a bunch of ****** retards
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exactly... as i stated earlier. what a bunch of ****** retards