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10-29-2003, 10:26 PM
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i admit that ebay bar is kinda ricey.
Yes it is aluminum but the force is in compression. Aluminum under compression should be fine, however i do not know if the bar is hollow or solid, and how thick the inner diameter from the outer diameter is.
The force that causes the rear strut bar to be in copmression can not be that much, considering the car is suppose to be a semi rigid body. If it flexed that much to break a bar you have something wrong with the stucture of hte car itself.
THe CP racing bar is nice. I don't like how it is attached to teh sheetmetal of the shock tower, because taht will cause the shock towers to give. THe sheet metal is thin as hell, you can cut it with Tin snips.
if i were to make a bar from scratch it would probably be close to what the ricer bar is.
A hollow tube with rod ends instead bonded to the tube with 3M DP460 epoxy. The force is always in compression.
Yes it is aluminum but the force is in compression. Aluminum under compression should be fine, however i do not know if the bar is hollow or solid, and how thick the inner diameter from the outer diameter is.
The force that causes the rear strut bar to be in copmression can not be that much, considering the car is suppose to be a semi rigid body. If it flexed that much to break a bar you have something wrong with the stucture of hte car itself.
THe CP racing bar is nice. I don't like how it is attached to teh sheetmetal of the shock tower, because taht will cause the shock towers to give. THe sheet metal is thin as hell, you can cut it with Tin snips.
if i were to make a bar from scratch it would probably be close to what the ricer bar is.
A hollow tube with rod ends instead bonded to the tube with 3M DP460 epoxy. The force is always in compression.
10-29-2003, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Cheers!' date='Oct 29 2003, 11:26 PM
i admit that ebay bar is kinda ricey.
Yes it is aluminum but the force is in compression. Aluminum under compression should be fine, however i do not know if the bar is hollow or solid, and how thick the inner diameter from the outer diameter is.
The force that causes the rear strut bar to be in copmression can not be that much, considering the car is suppose to be a semi rigid body. If it flexed that much to break a bar you have something wrong with the stucture of hte car itself.
THe CP racing bar is nice. I don't like how it is attached to teh sheetmetal of the shock tower, because taht will cause the shock towers to give. THe sheet metal is thin as hell, you can cut it with Tin snips.
if i were to make a bar from scratch it would probably be close to what the ricer bar is.
A hollow tube with rod ends instead bonded to the tube with 3M DP460 epoxy. The force is always in compression.
Yes it is aluminum but the force is in compression. Aluminum under compression should be fine, however i do not know if the bar is hollow or solid, and how thick the inner diameter from the outer diameter is.
The force that causes the rear strut bar to be in copmression can not be that much, considering the car is suppose to be a semi rigid body. If it flexed that much to break a bar you have something wrong with the stucture of hte car itself.
THe CP racing bar is nice. I don't like how it is attached to teh sheetmetal of the shock tower, because taht will cause the shock towers to give. THe sheet metal is thin as hell, you can cut it with Tin snips.
if i were to make a bar from scratch it would probably be close to what the ricer bar is.
A hollow tube with rod ends instead bonded to the tube with 3M DP460 epoxy. The force is always in compression.
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10-29-2003, 10:58 PM
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if i were to make a bar i would put two more angle peices so that the compression force is transfered to the mounting plate such that it is on the same axis as the force.
I could see why u think the welds may buckle. But how much do the shock towers move by anyhow?
I could see why u think the welds may buckle. But how much do the shock towers move by anyhow?
10-29-2003, 11:02 PM
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Here is a pic of a cusco bar
the bar is the same design as the ebay one except the actual bar is is thicker. But like i said the force is in compression. The bar will not fail as easily if hte force was perpedicular to the bar's axis
the cusco bar is also 164 dollars
the bar is the same design as the ebay one except the actual bar is is thicker. But like i said the force is in compression. The bar will not fail as easily if hte force was perpedicular to the bar's axis
the cusco bar is also 164 dollars
10-29-2003, 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Cheers!' date='Oct 29 2003, 11:58 PM
if i were to make a bar i would put two more angle peices so that the compression force is transfered to the mounting plate such that it is on the same axis as the force.
I could see why u think the welds may buckle. But how much do the shock towers move by anyhow?
I could see why u think the welds may buckle. But how much do the shock towers move by anyhow?
the best/strongest design for the strut bars is the one with the least angles...until you start talking about 4 point bars which have more angles but are inherently stronger, and the only strut bar ill ever buy if/when i get one.
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10-29-2003, 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Cheers!' date='Oct 30 2003, 12:02 AM
Here is a pic of a cusco bar
the bar is the same design as the ebay one except the actual bar is is thicker. But like i said the force is in compression. The bar will not fail as easily if hte force was perpedicular to the bar's axis
the cusco bar is also 164 dollars
the bar is the same design as the ebay one except the actual bar is is thicker. But like i said the force is in compression. The bar will not fail as easily if hte force was perpedicular to the bar's axis
the cusco bar is also 164 dollars
notice it is at a more severe angle, aka triangulation. triangles are the strongest structures and therefore a greater angle of when the piece meets the mounting bracket means increased strength at the mounting points.
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10-29-2003, 11:12 PM
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i guess that is what you get when you pay 3 times the amount of money.
Damn this now makes me want to fire up Mill9 and program a CNC template
Damn this now makes me want to fire up Mill9 and program a CNC template
10-29-2003, 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Cheers!' date='Oct 30 2003, 12:12 AM
i guess that is what you get when you pay 3 times the amount of money.
Damn this now makes me want to fire up Mill9 and program a CNC template
Damn this now makes me want to fire up Mill9 and program a CNC template
kevin.
10-29-2003, 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by teknics' date='Oct 30 2003, 12:16 AM
[quote name='Cheers!' date='Oct 30 2003, 12:12 AM'] i guess that is what you get when you pay 3 times the amount of money.
Damn this now makes me want to fire up Mill9 and program a CNC template
Damn this now makes me want to fire up Mill9 and program a CNC template
kevin. [/quote]
teh CP racing peice? that bar doesn't do anythin.g
10-29-2003, 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Cheers!' date='Oct 30 2003, 12:27 AM
[quote name='teknics' date='Oct 30 2003, 12:16 AM'] [quote name='Cheers!' date='Oct 30 2003, 12:12 AM'] i guess that is what you get when you pay 3 times the amount of money.
Damn this now makes me want to fire up Mill9 and program a CNC template
Damn this now makes me want to fire up Mill9 and program a CNC template
kevin. [/quote]
teh CP racing peice? that bar doesn't do anythin.g [/quote]
never seen the cp racing one, i saw a really nice 4 point one, but it may have been on an fd lol.
kevin