Another school shooting.
04-17-2007, 01:20 PM
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College park has 22 iirc, but remember that many of the students (im sure its the same in bolder) commute or live off campus. CPPD does patrol the surronding areas of the campus, where it is mostly student population.
Crime here is pretty bad. But we are also smack dab in a pretty poor part of PG county, which has the highest homicide rate in maryland. Doesent help that we are 5 min from DC...
Crime here is pretty bad. But we are also smack dab in a pretty poor part of PG county, which has the highest homicide rate in maryland. Doesent help that we are 5 min from DC...
04-17-2007, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by rfreeman27' post='868463' date='Apr 16 2007, 09:00 PM
i know kevvy can back me up here
who me? I dont even bother touching the firearm dispute anymore, its not worth it people are so **** about it and everytime theres a problem they just throw the blame at the guns and forget that there was a trail of events leading up to the kids acquisition and use of the gun.
people act like the guns are walking around and jumping into peoples backpacks and then yelling "hey use me you sunuvabitch lets kiiiilllll"
the people = the problem. and problem where people are the root cause never has an answer cause people hate admitting that its their fault.
in a situation such as this theres a million things you can trace it back to and blame it on, *guns* are just the easy target. if the kid stabbed 32 people would we be banning knives? what iof while he was stabbing people one student took out a concealed firearm, and killed him point blank.... would we then be honoring guns or arresting the kid for having an illegally concealed weapon?
and this is why i dont touch the issue of guns anymore lol. i like 'em, use 'em, and i own 'em I also know how to use them and respect them. and just like freeman i aint some hillbilly shooting mailboxes outta my chebby, i dont poach animals or anything like that.
kevin.
04-17-2007, 04:10 PM
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I think it's fucked a non US citizen can legally buy a gun. Hell here in Florida they can even get a CCW.
I really dont think the school bares a big responsibillity like the media is saying. They called the cops, cops said it was just a shooting and that they had a suspect.
If he couldn't get his hands on a gun he would have downloaded the info to make a pipe bomb or who knows what else. Honestly what do we know about aliens such as himself, we don't do much of a background check on them, who knows if the guy hadn't killed a bunch of people in korea, taken one of their birth certificates and id and headed to the states. No matter what scenario I run in my head for school shootings and similar events there is no solution that i can come up with that makes much sense.
It's complicated, much like life itself.
I really dont think the school bares a big responsibillity like the media is saying. They called the cops, cops said it was just a shooting and that they had a suspect.
If he couldn't get his hands on a gun he would have downloaded the info to make a pipe bomb or who knows what else. Honestly what do we know about aliens such as himself, we don't do much of a background check on them, who knows if the guy hadn't killed a bunch of people in korea, taken one of their birth certificates and id and headed to the states. No matter what scenario I run in my head for school shootings and similar events there is no solution that i can come up with that makes much sense.
It's complicated, much like life itself.
04-17-2007, 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by teknics' post='868557' date='Apr 17 2007, 11:12 AM
who me? I dont even bother touching the firearm dispute anymore, its not worth it people are so **** about it and everytime theres a problem they just throw the blame at the guns and forget that there was a trail of events leading up to the kids acquisition and use of the gun.
people act like the guns are walking around and jumping into peoples backpacks and then yelling "hey use me you sunuvabitch lets kiiiilllll"
the people = the problem. and problem where people are the root cause never has an answer cause people hate admitting that its their fault.
in a situation such as this theres a million things you can trace it back to and blame it on, *guns* are just the easy target. if the kid stabbed 32 people would we be banning knives? what iof while he was stabbing people one student took out a concealed firearm, and killed him point blank.... would we then be honoring guns or arresting the kid for having an illegally concealed weapon?
and this is why i dont touch the issue of guns anymore lol. i like 'em, use 'em, and i own 'em I also know how to use them and respect them. and just like freeman i aint some hillbilly shooting mailboxes outta my chebby, i dont poach animals or anything like that.
kevin.
Nail on the head.
04-18-2007, 05:12 AM
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The fact of the matter is that this can happen anywhere in there world...
If someone really wants to shoot up anyplace at anytime they would find the means of finding a weapon to do it with if they are really that troubled.
Making the firearms so easily attainable doesnt exactly help the situation...
If someone really wants to shoot up anyplace at anytime they would find the means of finding a weapon to do it with if they are really that troubled.
Making the firearms so easily attainable doesnt exactly help the situation...
04-18-2007, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by phinsup' post='868570' date='Apr 17 2007, 02:10 PM
I think it's fucked a non US citizen can legally buy a gun.
yeah i thought so to, i mean, its constitutional that CITIZENS can have guns, he's not, and just for that reason probably shouldnt.
04-18-2007, 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by inanimate_object' post='868513' date='Apr 17 2007, 08:24 AM
There was an American guy on the radio this morning actually using this as a point (minus the more chaos part). I can't understand this at all, so the solution to your gun problem is more guns???
From a foreign point of view looking on, the thing that strikes me is that guns are so much a part of life over there - whether that's a problem to be addressed or not is the big question, how do you do that while respecting your right to bear arms? Is this a problem on a constitutional level? That's nothing really to do with me but one thing I will say is that here in Ireland a rampage like that is unlikely, regardless of how deranged the individual is, because in reality you're unlikely to see a gun outside of your average spaghetti western.
I also feel sorry for the uni, sure in hindsight they could have made better decisions, but I don't think blaming them for the incident is going to help, if it was possible to foresee this type of thing happening, noone at all would have gotten shot and it shifts the blame from those that really deserve it. IMO.
I am going to pick this one apart. It's a part of life for certain people in the US. Some people use them for hunting, collection, or just a hobby of going to the shooting range. And some people use them to kill other people. The only way to have gun control, is to completely get rid of guns. But of course, people say, what about the police? Hello, it's called hand to hand combat, a rock and a stick, and some *****. And if you got rid of all firearms (including explosives), you would have no reason to have a police force. Aside from people in vehicles, sexual predators, etc.
The right to bear arms was written YEARS ago, when people did not snap, load a clip up, and shoot up an entire town. Back then I think the right to bear arms was for ACTUAL protection. Wildlife, real thieves, cowboys, indians, etc.
And people constantly say, well we did not see it coming. Yeah, no **** you did not. If you saw it coming, it would not happen. You can never really say exactly what makes somebody go an shoot up a school, but there are reasons behind their actions, even if it's screwed up.
On another word, VTech is not a state school, but however is a credited university with an Alumni of 27k. I have two close friends that go there, but have NO way of knowing if they are ok. And I don't want to go and reasearch it to see who was killed, because if I did, I would go nuts.
04-19-2007, 03:43 AM
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Cool, it looks like we agree then. I don't see how people could have a problem with guns for hunting, even if they're handguns/assault rifles/etc. provided measures are taken to keep them out of the wrong hands - b/g checks/gunsafes. That's more or less how it is here, I'd call it effective gun control, and you're right 95% of police don't carry here. We've done this gun thread thing before anyway.
But yeah, I don't think anyone could have seen this coming, I think I heard on the radio that american homicides over the last 50 years are something in the order of hundreds of millions and out of that 500 were spree killings.
I'm sure you'll hear good news about your friends too, sorry to hear that all the same.
But yeah, I don't think anyone could have seen this coming, I think I heard on the radio that american homicides over the last 50 years are something in the order of hundreds of millions and out of that 500 were spree killings.
I'm sure you'll hear good news about your friends too, sorry to hear that all the same.
04-19-2007, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by rowtareh' post='868775' date='Apr 19 2007, 12:09 AM
I am going to pick this one apart. It's a part of life for certain people in the US. Some people use them for hunting, collection, or just a hobby of going to the shooting range. And some people use them to kill other people. The only way to have gun control, is to completely get rid of guns. But of course, people say, what about the police? Hello, it's called hand to hand combat, a rock and a stick, and some *****. And if you got rid of all firearms (including explosives), you would have no reason to have a police force. Aside from people in vehicles, sexual predators, etc.
The right to bear arms was written YEARS ago, when people did not snap, load a clip up, and shoot up an entire town. Back then I think the right to bear arms was for ACTUAL protection. Wildlife, real thieves, cowboys, indians, etc.
And people constantly say, well we did not see it coming. Yeah, no **** you did not. If you saw it coming, it would not happen. You can never really say exactly what makes somebody go an shoot up a school, but there are reasons behind their actions, even if it's screwed up.
On another word, VTech is not a state school, but however is a credited university with an Alumni of 27k. I have two close friends that go there, but have NO way of knowing if they are ok. And I don't want to go and reasearch it to see who was killed, because if I did, I would go nuts.
It's pretty obvious that if you take away the guns, you take away the gun crime. But let me know as soon as you get back from fantacy land...
Its going to be impossible to rid our nation of guns, not now that they are so intertwined into our culture. Even if you did, im sure it would just spur an even bigger black market, allowing thoes who want guns to be able to find them anyways...
remember that many firearms are often stolen from 'responsible' gun owners homes. I agree that there should be stricter laws pertaining to the storage of weapons, i.e. gun safes, locks, etc, but I just dont know if the bulk of gun owners are responsible enough to follow rules like that, as there would really be no way to enforce them. How do you judge who can own firearms and who cannot?
This wackjob even stated that there were a million chances to stop him, and dont think I am taking his side but he's right, it was clear that he was irrational and derranged throughout his life. Can we not identify and take action for people like this? Free speech my ***, this dude was a wack from the start and needed major help...
I have no problem with a ban on handguns. All they are good for is killing. While a ban might not eliminate the problem, it is better then nothing. I just fear that it is our nature to destroy eachother, and we are going to do it in some way or another
04-21-2007, 09:46 AM
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You cant take away guns, ever. You can get them illegally.
The guns in the shooting were purchased legally at a local gunshop without a background check....and what a background this guy had!
To be responsible, you must instill some kind of security measure when dealing with a deadly weapon?
Even spray cans have warnings like "Do not aim at face" and such.
The guns in the shooting were purchased legally at a local gunshop without a background check....and what a background this guy had!
To be responsible, you must instill some kind of security measure when dealing with a deadly weapon?
Even spray cans have warnings like "Do not aim at face" and such.