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42!

teknics

wow havent seen tv all day until now, guess its a lot bigger news then i thought.



kevin.

1988RedT2

Well, I don't mean to brag, but it's the single highest body count of any civil massacre in U.S. history.

teknics

yea i wasnt aware of that until i turned on the tv.



kevin.

rfreeman27

Yeah my roomate and i were talking about that earlier. If a few kids were carrying around that area it could have been game over for the shooter. It could have just as easily created more chaos and fatalities.



then again there are sopposed to be police around.



I feel like if that happened on the college park (university of maryland) campus there would be 75 cops blazing guns, especally if the dude was black. Hell there are prolly kids all over this campus with guns! There was a 'fire' today in one of the buildings and within 3 min of the alarm (i think someone just pulled it?) there was 10 cop cars surrounding the building. It helps to have your own police force for the campus. Is Vtech a state school?



I really feel like if you are a crazy and are going to snap, finding a firearm and using it is going to be easy regardless of stringent firearm policys. And, if they dont use a gun, they could use a bomb, or a blade, or any other tool for killing. Are you going to ban all household chemicals? What about all the cooking knives? My old marksmanship coach (think john goodman in the big lebowski...yikes) used to get hand grenades and we would blow up watermellon. (a la mail call) What if he got robbed? Thoes things were crazy, one in a crowd would be insane! I'm not saying that we are going to start getting attacked by military grade hand grenades, but rather, weapons are always going to be out there, if it isnt guns it will (and i stress will) be something else. I hate to be trite but as the old saying goes, people kill people...



I'd like to think I could exersize the self control to handle a weapon on me at all times, but then again I was raised with guns and have been shooting since i could walk, so I might be a slight exception. There were just always guns around my house (not lying around, but you know what i mean) so my old man figured I should get used to them right away. It really freaks me out when people shiver at the mere sight of firearms. BTW, I am NOT a member of the NRA, or a gun totin redneck that shoots things out of my chebby as i drive down the street, but rather someone that enjoys shooting and respects firearms...



i know kevvy can back me up here

G2G

CWP



- Hand

phinsup

sux, looks like the school is going to take a lot of heat on this. After the first round of shots all they did was send out an email, 2 hours later the guy killed another 30 people.



Very sad.

defprun

An email? That just...unresponsible.

inanimate_object

There was an American guy on the radio this morning actually using this as a point (minus the more chaos part). I can't understand this at all, so the solution to your gun problem is more guns???



From a foreign point of view looking on, the thing that strikes me is that guns are so much a part of life over there - whether that's a problem to be addressed or not is the big question, how do you do that while respecting your right to bear arms? Is this a problem on a constitutional level? That's nothing really to do with me but one thing I will say is that here in Ireland a rampage like that is unlikely, regardless of how deranged the individual is, because in reality you're unlikely to see a gun outside of your average spaghetti western.



I also feel sorry for the uni, sure in hindsight they could have made better decisions, but I don't think blaming them for the incident is going to help, if it was possible to foresee this type of thing happening, noone at all would have gotten shot and it shifts the blame from those that really deserve it. IMO.

sweet7

Its pretty ******* sad. Schools should be a place for learning and somewhere one can feel safe. I agree there is no place for guns in school. On the other hand I carry, If I could be 100% sure there is no gun-toting psycho around every corner I wouldnt carry. Pretty simple.



VT is a state school but that dosent mean much. I'm from CO, and last night they were talking about how CU (a school of roughly 30k) only has 32 school PD. And I guess thats kinda the norm, between 25-50 for a student population 100x times that.