r_xplicit

doesn't that kit come with the radiator, intercooler, all mounting h'ware, and some other nifty ****? i thought that i remembered him saying that across the "street"





louis

Joe Flo

I think it looks awesome....Good car showing off material. Is it really hard to install....thats my only question. What do you have to do? Do you have to relocate the battery...I am not sure what that is next to the pic.

1Revvin7

you know what, I think that it does come that way, with a radiator in all....

r_xplicit

yeah, i just checked. they also offer quite a bit more options for the set up like polishing, and ****....it looks really good......i was trying to fab my own a year and a half ago, but SR discontiued their horizontal IC project, and i did not see anothre that was reasonable and fit in the same location as easily...





great job, again chuck. you guys are doing some great things over there.....



louis

Little Goat

I saw Chuck install the whole setup in about 30 minutes and that is with me distracting him with questions every couple of minutes. Yes, the v mount requires either a smaller battery(seen in the pic) or relocation.

rotaryextreme

Because it comes with a custom radiator. How much was custom radiator sold a couple of years ago? Like $800? If you buy a M2 medium IC, it's $1500. So you are getting a custom radiator and those expensive samco radiator hoses for $700. The samco radiator hoses sold for $225 at JT imports. So is it all that expensive?



Chuck Huang

rotaryextreme

The Group buy will come with side shields. Making that now.



Just for your info, I put on the V moun that Little Goat lended me and drove it on the street tonight. The ambient temp is about 55F. The intake temp is 13-15C and the water temp is 80C which is actually below the thermostat opening temp. That means both the radiator and intercooler are getting enough air to cool them down.



The setup I ran has no shields at all and I already see this kind of temps. Imagine that with a duct.



Chuck Huang

rotaryextreme

Why V mount is better than a SMIC:



1. The SMIC air exposure is fixed by the duct. Even if you upgrade to an aftermarket bumper, the air going through the SMIC is the same. Your SMIC will not get any benefit of that. But ifyou use a v-mount, you can increase the air flow going through the intercooler to increase the efficiency.



2. There is no such thing as intake, intercooler, radiator fighting for air. The total amount of air going through all of them is fixed, determined by the frontal area of the bumper. Even if you have a cold air box, SMIC, and regular stock mount radiator, the total amount of air going through them is still fixed. The benefit of V mount is that you will be able to distribute the air flow effectively by using ducts. You can never do that with a SMIC.



3. It simply works better with a vented hood which is getting popular now than the SMIC.



There is a few long threads on the rx7forum on this. I have explained in details there. You can go there and check it out. Thank you.



Chuck

rotaryextreme

If you get M2 intercooler with an aftermarket radiator and the Samco raditor hose, the cost will be



M2 intercooler: $1495

Koyo radiator (the cheapest one you can get): $375

Samco radiator hoses: $225 from JT Imports

Total: $2095



V mount comes with intercooler, radiator, all the brackets, Samco radiator hose, sides shields for a bolt on application: $2200.



You can buy something much better for $100 more. Your radiator and intercooler and intake will benefit greatly with other aftermarket parts such as vented hood and a front bumper with larger mouth. If you have a SMIC or a FMIC, you cannot take full advantage of those parts simply because you cannot redistribute the air going through them.



Most people think V mount is just the intercooler. It's not correct. You cannot just buy the V mount IC and then use it with your stock radiator. It does not work that way. V stands for V shape. The radiator and intercooler forms a "V" like what's shown on that drawing.



For optimal cooling, you need some way to distribute the air flow. V mount is the only setup that allows you to do that.



Chuck Huang

rotaryextreme

If you add things up, SMIC+radiator+Samco silicon radiator hoses, they are not that much expensive. The only downside is that you do have to get all of them at the same time.



Another benefit of the V mount is that even though it makes the engine bay look crowded, you wil actually have less radiator heat coming from the radiator. If you see how it mounts, you will realize that the heat from the radiator is pointing downward away from the intercooler. Unlike the SMIC, the radiator heat is flowing right at it. Even though V mount IC is still located inside the engine bay, it's much less likely to be heat soaked.



Chuck Huang