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Old 02-06-2003, 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by papasmurf' date='Feb 5 2003, 07:38 PM
all in all beautiful. i saw the vmount on a certian orange rx7 when my car was/is in for work. looks like a great idea and all. about ducting the air, why not buy / build a v mount and the make your OWN duct? shaped like the ic duct on the wrx but larger and in a different place. that would force 100% of air into the radiator, or ic depending on how you build the duct ( upside down for the ic )...



id bet itd look crazy too, even more so than it does already ( looks like you can sleep in between rad and ic almost with all the space )



just my .02
You have the correct concept. That's exactly why V mount is better than any other set up out there. Good job!



For me, I want something that works. I don't really care if it's crazy looking or not. I have used FMIC and SMIC. They don't really meet my cooling requirement. After I see the V mount on the Japanese cars, I start to study them to see the concept behind it. And yes, they do work either in theory or in real life. Now all the Japanese tuners are coming out with V mount not because it's the trends. It simply works. The first company that made a V mount for retail sales is Knight Sports. They also use that same setup on their race car. This year, RE Amemiya, Panspeed, R Magic all come out with the V mount set up.



For those of you who think it's not the best setup, please share with me with your theory and concept. I had this long discuss on the rx7forum with the designer of M2 intercooler, Kevin Wyum. He simply cannot point out one thing why it's not better than both a FMIC and a SMIC.





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If you need more info on the v mount, please visit my website



http://www.rotaryextreme.com/vmount.html



The installation involves the following:



You do have to take out all the stock components such as IC, Intake, Radiator, and Battery. It's the same thing as you are going to replace your stock radiator with an aftermarket one and put on a new intercooler at the same time.



You will have to relocate the battery or use that mini one that I offer which fits nicley in there as seen in the photo.



After you remove the stock parts out of the way, you will have to extend the cooling fan wires on the fan itself. Not the end near the relay. So it can be done easily as well since your cooling fan is off the car.



After you have done all the above, the rest only takes 30min.



I really encourage people to make their own V mount. Zero R from A Spec tuning converted his M2 large to a V mount. If you can get yours done yourself for less than $2200, you should do that. Making something yourself and see it works is the best feeling you will ever get.



If you don't want to hassle to design your own and to spend 1-2 days at your fabricator

shop, you can purchase the one I offer which is the most affordable one out there. If you buy any of the Japanese one, expect to pay about $3200.



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Originally Posted by Fd3BOOST' date='Feb 4 2003, 02:18 AM
What is with that price?

It is only a freggin IC core and some end tanks.

Parts for intercoolers are cheap so why the large markup from everyone?

http://www.bellengineering.net/intercoolercores.html



http://www.roadraceengineering.com/intercoolers.htm

I found those with a quick search, I am sure that if I kept looking i could even find some more..
Why is all expensive?



1. It's low production run. I can't sell those as many as Greddy IC, HKS IC, Blitz IC, etc. They sell those in Japan and there are a lot more 3rd gen RX-7's out there.



2. It takes a lot of R&D to shape it to the current stage. I personally went to Japan just to see how V mount works at Tokyo Autosalon. Flight ticket and hotels aren't too cheap.



3. I know there are lot of intercooler cores out there but to choose one that fits in the FD as a V mount setup with good flow rate is not easy. I have done my research. I chose the one that flows the most and can fit in that location with almost any kind of intake. The core I use flows 935 CFM according to the manufaturer (Spearco).



4. I am not going to lie. I am doing this for a living. I need to make some money. If you think you can make one to benefit the RX-7 community with cheaper price, you are more than welcome to do so. I just want to see V mount getting popular in the US because it's the best setup you can ever have.



BTW, I would really appreciate that before you reply to my post, please get the background information straight. Before you imply I mark up the product like crazy, please do a little homework and see what a V mount really is. If you have done your homework, you will know V mont comes with both the IC and radiator and one simply cannot work without the other. You have done this twice already. Last time you jumped into my 386.6 RWHP thread and call it a bull ****. I don't even know who you are and I don't think I have done anything bad to you in the past. If I have, please let me know what it is. Thank you.



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Old 02-06-2003, 02:50 PM
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according to the guy at a-spec ( where i saw the v-mount ), brackets is where a lot of the cost goes to. do YOU sell the brackets alone aka, if i wanted a fluidyne rad instead of what u provide?
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Originally Posted by papasmurf' date='Feb 6 2003, 12:50 PM
according to the guy at a-spec ( where i saw the v-mount ), brackets is where a lot of the cost goes to. do YOU sell the brackets alone aka, if i wanted a fluidyne rad instead of what u provide?
I think Sean from A spec uses the stock style radiator and that's why his brackets are complicated. My setup comes with a custom radiator that's made for V Mount applicatoin so the brackets are not complicated. There are only 4 brackets for the radiator and 2 brackets for power steering hardpipe relocation. Even if I sell you just the brackets, you can't put those on and make your radiator into a v mount radiator.



If you want to keep your stock radiator or stock style radiator, you will have to do a lot more custom plumbing. It will cost a lot more than just making a custom radiator. But I can modify your Fluidyne radiator into a V mount radiator. The cost of conversion for the radiator itself + brackets will be $400.



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so that is for JUST the bracket for the radiator? the ic uses different brackets? i think seans is a stock radiator.
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so what it seems youre saying is.... 2200 for entire v mount (rad and ic ), plus 400 for new rad brackets and conversion of the radiator. = 2600 ( and having an extra radiator and bracket origionally supplied with your kit? )
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the brackets, i think is included with the set uo for 2200.



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i know but a fluidyne rad would require different brackets i figure....
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Originally Posted by papasmurf' date='Feb 6 2003, 05:05 PM
so what it seems youre saying is.... 2200 for entire v mount (rad and ic ), plus 400 for new rad brackets and conversion of the radiator. = 2600 ( and having an extra radiator and bracket origionally supplied with your kit? )
If you just want me to modify your fluidyne to a v mount radiator, it's going to be $400 including the radiator and power steering brackets.



If you want to buy the whole intercooler kit but you suppy your own fluidyne for me to modify, the price will be $1800.



The $2200 price tag will come with the intercooler, 2" racing radiator, brackets, turbo silicon hoses, Samco radiator hoses for a bolt on installation.



go to my website for more info. I have everything listed there. Thank you.



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