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02-20-2003, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ALNY93R1' date='Feb 20 2003, 04:19 PM
With 470rwhp you might want to change your stock LSD and axles, especially if your going to race.
I can't even see where you would need 470 in the street...
02-20-2003, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 9BASE3' date='Feb 20 2003, 02:17 PM
There's no need to bust his ***** man... This forum is for people to HELP eachother. Not to see who's smarter.
Lots of youngsters and elders make wish lists, and the reality of actually getting everything falls short when they actually see the downtime involved. Most people would rather drive it than see it sit. That and the cars ****** fast to begin with, so modding happens a bit slower.
I had the same list. I started with reliability though, as a mid-high 13 second car is still fast in my book.
And I have a type-R sticker... On the windshield. JDM baby. Christ, leave those jokes in the club-si forum.
Lots of youngsters and elders make wish lists, and the reality of actually getting everything falls short when they actually see the downtime involved. Most people would rather drive it than see it sit. That and the cars ****** fast to begin with, so modding happens a bit slower.
I had the same list. I started with reliability though, as a mid-high 13 second car is still fast in my book.
And I have a type-R sticker... On the windshield. JDM baby. Christ, leave those jokes in the club-si forum.
But when a person is asking for advice, and they shoot down EVERYTHING an experienced person offers - because they know better - well then, it doesn't seem like they are asking for advice, more for acceptance and praise... And I cant praise the uneducated. Thats one of the main problems with the world today - tolerance of ignorance.
I wasn't insinuating I was smarter - Just a lot more experienced with rotary engines and RX-7's in general -
I have owned 7 Rx-7's (raced 5), and used to be sales manager at Racing Beat for a couple of years, not to mention 12 years of jobs in the performance/import/tuning industry.
Sorry about the Type-R comment - that was dickish
02-20-2003, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Bulletproof' date='Feb 20 2003, 07:05 PM
1: I agree 9BASE3 - It may have come out harsh - My apologies. I lose patience sometimes.
2: Thats one of the main problems with the world today - tolerance of ignorance.
3: Sorry about the Type-R comment - that was dickish
2: Thats one of the main problems with the world today - tolerance of ignorance.
3: Sorry about the Type-R comment - that was dickish
2: Agreed.
3: We've all done that one! My reply was just as dickish!
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02-20-2003, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Bulletproof' date='Feb 20 2003, 05:04 PM
Sigh
Maybe we start over - What is the purpose of the car? Street use? 1/4 mile? Road Race? Everything (LOL)
That dyno doesnt look anywhere NEAR 470 RWHP, but I could be wrong, my eyes are going, not to mention you didnt address the fact that the clutch will hold torque instead of horsepower - seems this chart is down on torque too, which AGAIN shows the point i was trying to make, the S/S will be fine, IMHO. Lots of assumptions on the extra power those turbos will make...
I did misread, When you were changing to a unsprung puck clutch, but the point remains the same.. hell you can put a 4-puck in a geo metro, but whats the point?
You have obviously never driven a puck clutch. I have a 4-puck in my race neon and it is a bitch to drive on the street. But, again, your opinion of streetable and mine I'm sure will differ. I would I bet I am older than you too...
When you said "upgrade brakes" to me that meant pads,rotors, lines.. you never said anything about ADDING bigger calipers and larger rotors. Now that I look back, I did not see ANY brake upgrades in the first list you have gone through "time and time again"
Stock rims on a 13.5" rotor? LOL :bigthumg:
As far as you import tuner list goes - WTF is a "Blitz type R BOV:?
Noone at Blitz USA or Blitz Japan has ever heard of it?
How about a fuel filter? or lines for that matter? Or are you using the stock supply/return lines? What about a fuel pressure regulator? What size fuel pump? Just going to leave stock suspension on it too? heh Strut Tower bars as the only suspension mod? heh typical Hondatech.
Don't recall ever mentioning your budget, just asked if you had considered it. hell for all I know you could have millions (maybe thats why you are going to jail?) Re-read my sentence, here it is for reference-
"It appeared it was a lot more name dropping for "see what my rx-7 has - bling bling" as opposed to actually thinking out your position, budget and desires/requirements/purpose of the vehicle."
Doesnt seem like I mentioned an amount, but Im glad you did read the post Good luck finding a blown up FD in decent shape for $5k - perhaps the market in Jersey is better.
Very nice that you have a place that will perform thousands of dollars (literally) of labor for you for free. Caveat Emptor, you get what you pay for. Are they going to tune it for you for free too?
Yeah you have the reliability mods there, but the fact remains YOU DONT EVEN HAVE THE CAR YET. How can you possibly know what systems are inadequate for your needs? You are a classic "bench racer" my friend. Upgrading a car you dont have with tons of performance parts you read about.
Renew your subscriptions to Import Tuner and Super Street - they will have all the tech advice you need. Perhaps you can make the readers rides page!
I think I'm with Sinful 7 on this, send me your address, I'll send you a big-ol "Type-R" sticker to drape over the hood and fenders. And those illuminated wiper nozzles. No charge, so your budget stays intact
Maybe we start over - What is the purpose of the car? Street use? 1/4 mile? Road Race? Everything (LOL)
That dyno doesnt look anywhere NEAR 470 RWHP, but I could be wrong, my eyes are going, not to mention you didnt address the fact that the clutch will hold torque instead of horsepower - seems this chart is down on torque too, which AGAIN shows the point i was trying to make, the S/S will be fine, IMHO. Lots of assumptions on the extra power those turbos will make...
I did misread, When you were changing to a unsprung puck clutch, but the point remains the same.. hell you can put a 4-puck in a geo metro, but whats the point?
You have obviously never driven a puck clutch. I have a 4-puck in my race neon and it is a bitch to drive on the street. But, again, your opinion of streetable and mine I'm sure will differ. I would I bet I am older than you too...
When you said "upgrade brakes" to me that meant pads,rotors, lines.. you never said anything about ADDING bigger calipers and larger rotors. Now that I look back, I did not see ANY brake upgrades in the first list you have gone through "time and time again"
Stock rims on a 13.5" rotor? LOL :bigthumg:
As far as you import tuner list goes - WTF is a "Blitz type R BOV:?
How about a fuel filter? or lines for that matter? Or are you using the stock supply/return lines? What about a fuel pressure regulator? What size fuel pump? Just going to leave stock suspension on it too? heh Strut Tower bars as the only suspension mod? heh typical Hondatech.
Don't recall ever mentioning your budget, just asked if you had considered it. hell for all I know you could have millions (maybe thats why you are going to jail?) Re-read my sentence, here it is for reference-
"It appeared it was a lot more name dropping for "see what my rx-7 has - bling bling" as opposed to actually thinking out your position, budget and desires/requirements/purpose of the vehicle."
Doesnt seem like I mentioned an amount, but Im glad you did read the post
Very nice that you have a place that will perform thousands of dollars (literally) of labor for you for free. Caveat Emptor, you get what you pay for. Are they going to tune it for you for free too?
Yeah you have the reliability mods there, but the fact remains YOU DONT EVEN HAVE THE CAR YET. How can you possibly know what systems are inadequate for your needs? You are a classic "bench racer" my friend. Upgrading a car you dont have with tons of performance parts you read about.
Renew your subscriptions to Import Tuner and Super Street - they will have all the tech advice you need. Perhaps you can make the readers rides page!
I think I'm with Sinful 7 on this, send me your address, I'll send you a big-ol "Type-R" sticker to drape over the hood and fenders. And those illuminated wiper nozzles. No charge, so your budget stays intact
2) If you read what i said it is 412rwhp without clipped compressor wheels (factor in about 15 more hp) and with completely pig rich tuning (a safe 15-20hp more can be taken in tuning), and at 16.5psi as opposed to the 20psi that the final version of the turbos is running. You can then see where 470rwhp is possible. I swear BNR posted a 470rwhp chart but i could be wrong, i think i even read r_xplicit talk about the 470rwhp BNR twins.
3) I'm not buying the car to drive around like an old man in a corvette, if i have to do some work to shift with a 4 puck i'm fine with that, it's not a show car.
4) Who cares if you're older, thats like saying i'm taller, which I probably am. It holds no weight as to ho9w knowledgeable you are about cars. Quite honestly i would be ashamed to make such a statement no matter what my age. You are the type of person that hurts any type of "community" by stating you're older shows you think you're superior, well guess you you'll just die before me thats all that your age matters to me.
5) As i said i was told that the brembo kit works with stock rims, if i eventually discover it won't i'll switch rims or go to a smaller kit, no big deal.
6) Ok again a mistake on my part it isn't a Blitz Type R BOV, it's a GReddy. Just because it says Type R doesn't mean it is rice, would you like me to leave the turbos unprotected? It's a standard longevity issue, honestly i HATE the sound of BOV going off left and right, but you have to do what you have to do.
7) You finally give me useful knowledge with the fuel filter and such info....although you forget i mentioned a walbro fuel pump in my original post. You could've simply listed this info at the beginning instead of trying to ridicule the topic. But i forgot you're the old and wise almighty annoying dude.
8) Guess the USA market rocks because so far I've seen/been involved in cars for that price in the condition i mention in Maryland and quite a few other states, including one in NJ. I'm also in contact with a guy who has a rolling chassis for $2k. Trying to figure out if it's worth it having to pay for the trans and new engine just to have the engine rebuilt when i get it.
9) Wow you're old age is really making you senile. I DO THE WORK MYSELF. I go to school at Lincoln Tech, an automotive technical school. We do anything and everything on our own cars in a state of the art level shop. As far as the tuning AGAIN you missed the boat, BNR will be sending me their finely tuned PFC Map for their turbos, the map they will be sending is tuned to a car with close to the same mods as I have here except he has 850cc primaries and 1300cc secondaries.
10) I prove you wrong about the reliability mods and what do you do? You don't admit YOUR wrong you go back to the same worn out topic about me not having the car, you're definitely getting senile.
11) How about this you pay for a subscription for super street for me, and I'll get you a giant catalog of nice senior citizens homes since you're sooo old and wise my mighty master.
12) You can call me whatever you want, but once i have this car done you'll see me at your house parked out front standing on the roof of my car pissing on your cars literally. You're an insult to everyone on this board for your lack of even a decent amount of respect and your complete uselessness when it comes to assisting a fellow rotary fan.
You sir have permission to bite the big one,
kevin.
02-20-2003, 08:29 PM
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ya know what i dont even have time for this stupid ****, I was looking for real feedback and instead i get some crotchy old people attacking me, and you people say the other forum is ******* communist.
I'm done with this topic, and personally i think this is the complete opposite of what nopistons is. This topic has turned into a ******* communist forum topic now. So yea we so need more of the old guy.
kevin.
I'm done with this topic, and personally i think this is the complete opposite of what nopistons is. This topic has turned into a ******* communist forum topic now. So yea we so need more of the old guy.
kevin.
02-20-2003, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by mjw' date='Feb 20 2003, 04:49 PM
I think you need to calm down a little bit and listen to what people have to say, most of us have experience owning and modifying the car so it would benefit you to take some positive criticism. If people are coming in and telling what you are doing wrong maybe you should listen before you go off, after all that is why you started the topic is for people's input right? You can't except everyone to come in here and tell your setup is perfect, except criticism and deal with it.
I've taken in everyone elses responses nicely and made additions to my written list, they were all stated nicely and with reasons, and they gave me respect at least.
He acts ike i wouldnt know the difference between an rx7 and a vette or something. I have no time to deal with senile old men.
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02-20-2003, 09:45 PM
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Wow we finally find out you are building a drag car - then streetability shouldn't be an issue right? It won't be registered or driven on the street at all?
Attacking you? Talked down to you? If I had a nickel for every time someone asked me these questions, I wouldn't need a job.. I asked a couple of questions to you, and then realized you don't have the car. No Point in me helping someone that may never well own the vehicle in question. Seems like you are already getting some bad advice on the buildup, thought I could save you some hassles
Here for the benefit of those people who are just joining us, is my FIRST post, the one before you got your *** up on your shoulders...
"Too Weak? you are planning to make more than 400 ft/lbs of torque? Please, tell us how, especially running twins...
Although I guess being able to say ACT XTREME clutch makes it seem like its faster
I'd move the downpipe, radiator and AST WAY up on your list...
And add brakes - why do people try to double the horsepower of the car, yet feel the stock brakes are sufficient?
I just reread your post - you don't even have an RX-7?
Bench racing ROCKS "
Nothing was insulting (except I misconstrued when you said puck clutch vs Xtreme - My bad, and I believe I apologized for this earlier), everything was true and realistic. I want to know how you are making that torque from the stock turbo housings. Im sure a lot of people would like the secret too. I suggested you do the reliability mods first. You had nothing listed about brakes in the first post, that was ADVICE. i then realized you dont have the car... Boy watch me get flamed when I jump on a Ferrari (Or any performance car) forum and talk about the upgrades I am going to do to a car I don't have...
Still waiting for this "470rwhp" dyno chart to materialize . Not to mention the whole discussion was regarding a clutches ability to hold TORQUE, or have you not gotten to that part in your class yet?
Mail order tuning? Nice - search the boards about how successful this is
If you read my post, I asked what SIZE fuel pump.. Do you even know your flow requirements?.. I read where you said you are getting the Wal-Mart pump... Jeez man you are really on the defensive
hehe try that 4-puck on the street - Go ahead. nothing like looking like an *** cause you stall the car in traffic, or revving it up to 3krpms to slip for the launch
Prove me wrong on reliability mods? Ummm OK - I need some of that NJ weed, cause its obvious you are spun - where exactly did this happen.
When I mentioned reliability mods, I was thinking A) you actually own the car first. B) you were going to drive it a little before you immediately tore into it.. I did not realize the minute you get an FD you will strip the chassis and rebuild EVERYTHING without even driving it first.. Silly me, what was I thinking..
The Brembo kit will NOT work with stock wheels. period. End of discussion. Perhaps you could call Brembo USA and ask? I believe Jim Hodgeman is still in charge, I'm sure he can enlighten you - But wait, hes older than you, so he must be senile right?
Then you make a bunch of personal attacks on my age.. lol I'd hardly consider 35 senile, and seeing how I've been driving and modifying cars since before you were born, you might rethink your attitude - I like realism.. I thought I knew everything at one time also, funny, I was about your age too- reality is a bitter pill
I am glad you are in an Automotive Tech School - Proves my point about how you feel you know everything already, and truly were not asking for advice, merely looking for Kudos on your "research"..
I need to move to the east coast, I have never seen FD's go for that cheap here in California, even with fire damage.
LOL you come on here, asking for ADVICE, and then condemn anyone that doesn't think your plan is foolproof..
I was trying to give the benefit of my YEARS of experience in modification and automobile performance enhancements- I'm sorry you can't see the difference. You are about to make a lot of mistakes that many people have made....
But apparently, to you, everything with your list is perfect (and the labor is free) and your RX-7 will be the baddest car around due to your Bench Racing and the fact that you are in Automotive School
Oh and your last comment, about pissing on my car I think sums you up to a "T" - Just another ricer kid who saw F&F too many times and wishes he could be badass like Vin...
Throw as much "RESEARCH" as you want into your car - Bring it - I'd bet you good money my Neon (yes, a NEON) would smoke you so bad, I wouldn't even have to warm up the RX-7..
Good luck with your project Kevin- I look forward to reading about your progress
And don't drop the soap...
P.S. OK THAT was a joke, or are you gonna get your panties in a wad over that too?
Attacking you? Talked down to you? If I had a nickel for every time someone asked me these questions, I wouldn't need a job.. I asked a couple of questions to you, and then realized you don't have the car. No Point in me helping someone that may never well own the vehicle in question. Seems like you are already getting some bad advice on the buildup, thought I could save you some hassles
Here for the benefit of those people who are just joining us, is my FIRST post, the one before you got your *** up on your shoulders...
"Too Weak? you are planning to make more than 400 ft/lbs of torque? Please, tell us how, especially running twins...
Although I guess being able to say ACT XTREME clutch makes it seem like its faster
I'd move the downpipe, radiator and AST WAY up on your list...
And add brakes - why do people try to double the horsepower of the car, yet feel the stock brakes are sufficient?
I just reread your post - you don't even have an RX-7?
Bench racing ROCKS "
Nothing was insulting (except I misconstrued when you said puck clutch vs Xtreme - My bad, and I believe I apologized for this earlier), everything was true and realistic. I want to know how you are making that torque from the stock turbo housings. Im sure a lot of people would like the secret too. I suggested you do the reliability mods first. You had nothing listed about brakes in the first post, that was ADVICE. i then realized you dont have the car... Boy watch me get flamed when I jump on a Ferrari (Or any performance car) forum and talk about the upgrades I am going to do to a car I don't have...
Still waiting for this "470rwhp" dyno chart to materialize . Not to mention the whole discussion was regarding a clutches ability to hold TORQUE, or have you not gotten to that part in your class yet?
Mail order tuning? Nice - search the boards about how successful this is
If you read my post, I asked what SIZE fuel pump.. Do you even know your flow requirements?.. I read where you said you are getting the Wal-Mart pump... Jeez man you are really on the defensive
hehe try that 4-puck on the street - Go ahead. nothing like looking like an *** cause you stall the car in traffic, or revving it up to 3krpms to slip for the launch
Prove me wrong on reliability mods? Ummm OK - I need some of that NJ weed, cause its obvious you are spun - where exactly did this happen.
When I mentioned reliability mods, I was thinking A) you actually own the car first. B) you were going to drive it a little before you immediately tore into it.. I did not realize the minute you get an FD you will strip the chassis and rebuild EVERYTHING without even driving it first.. Silly me, what was I thinking..
The Brembo kit will NOT work with stock wheels. period. End of discussion. Perhaps you could call Brembo USA and ask? I believe Jim Hodgeman is still in charge, I'm sure he can enlighten you - But wait, hes older than you, so he must be senile right?
Then you make a bunch of personal attacks on my age.. lol I'd hardly consider 35 senile, and seeing how I've been driving and modifying cars since before you were born, you might rethink your attitude - I like realism.. I thought I knew everything at one time also, funny, I was about your age too- reality is a bitter pill
I am glad you are in an Automotive Tech School - Proves my point about how you feel you know everything already, and truly were not asking for advice, merely looking for Kudos on your "research"..
I need to move to the east coast, I have never seen FD's go for that cheap here in California, even with fire damage.
LOL you come on here, asking for ADVICE, and then condemn anyone that doesn't think your plan is foolproof..
I was trying to give the benefit of my YEARS of experience in modification and automobile performance enhancements- I'm sorry you can't see the difference. You are about to make a lot of mistakes that many people have made....
But apparently, to you, everything with your list is perfect (and the labor is free) and your RX-7 will be the baddest car around due to your Bench Racing and the fact that you are in Automotive School
Oh and your last comment, about pissing on my car I think sums you up to a "T" - Just another ricer kid who saw F&F too many times and wishes he could be badass like Vin...
Throw as much "RESEARCH" as you want into your car - Bring it - I'd bet you good money my Neon (yes, a NEON) would smoke you so bad, I wouldn't even have to warm up the RX-7..
Good luck with your project Kevin- I look forward to reading about your progress
And don't drop the soap...
P.S. OK THAT was a joke, or are you gonna get your panties in a wad over that too?
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