7mech

You may also want some block off plates so that you can eliminate your emmissions. I think they go for about $75. Your also going to want more guages like EGT, Oil Pressure, A/F ratio, and Oil Temp. The guage prices depend on brand. Don't forget tires, suspension and rear strut tower bar. Last but not least an ignition. Possibly HKS twin power. Hope this helps.



Have there been any new develope meants on your legal issues? Hope you get this **** solved soon. BTW I still think it's bogus that they are charging you. You didn't know about it until after the fact. Did the prosecuter(sp) offer you any deals?

Sinful7

Dumbrotorkid

HE SAID BNR STAGE 3 TURBOS..ID THINK ITS POSSIBLE ON A PORTED ENGINE...



DONT FORGET MY EX HUGE SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

9BASE3

BNR's are stock based. I think there was a 407-RWHP dyno sheet. Not 470. But I could be wrong.

teknics

Ok my turn for one at a time:



You must assume i said the ACT Extreme, when I Said the ACT S/S. This actually was a misprint by me due to a mistake in my reading of a site. There is no ACT S/S listed for the 3rd gen, which you could've pointed out, instead you decided to just say i was talking about the ACT Extreme...which i WAS NOT. The extreme is more expensive and handles less torque (according to the site i am on) then the 4 puck and 6 puck. So OBVIOUSLY in a smart-consumer's mind you'd choose a 4 or 6 puck as well. No need to quote **** that i wasn't referring to in the first place. but hey if you wanna play that i will too:



Applications: Pull type clutch, Stock 236mm Suggested Retail Price



Clutch Kit Number: ZX3-HDR4 $556.50

Torque Capacity: 514

Pressure Increase: 40% Over Stock

Weight: 17.00 lbs.

ACT Pressure Plate: MZ-011

ACT Disc: 4P240H

Release Bearing: RB600

Pilot Bearing: PB1013

Alignment Tool: AT03 Actual Photo

XACT Flywheels Available: 600145 600140

Comments: *Not recommended for street use due to harsh engagement.

Note:





Now attached you will find an overly richly semi-tuned dyno chart of the guinea pig rx7 for the turbos i am speaking of. Something to take note of is that this set has unclipped compressor wheels, and due to the fact it was running pig rich in tuning isn't showing it's best possibilities. With tuning alone another 20hp can be taken out. Oh and he is also running 1 psi less then what the final, clipped compressor wheel, with a finely tuned PFC map, version of the turbos will come with. so i believe 1 psi on the rx7 is suppsoiovely 16hp or something at the block...so let's say you lose 15% in the driveline...it's still another 14hp or so at the wheels. So thats an extra 34hp without the clipped wheels. So take the 412hp add 34hp and you have 446hp...then you can factor in the clipped wheels and you see where the 470 comes from. Also note the torque on the chart.....thats pretty damn close to 400ft-lbs huh? Now you may say "well it's not that close"..... I've seen rotaries with 4 puck ACT clutches with barely over 300hp, and probably mid 200's in the torque category, so to say mine is overkill would be laughable.



So again you "ASSUME" that im doing a simple rotor/pad upgrade.....like i said last time, don't assume stuff. I will be doing a 6-piston brembo upgrade. 13.5" rotors up front, 11.5" out back. I've been told that stock rims should work. Now as for how im getting it for free, our school has a sponsored drag car (i believe each Lincoln Tech has a sponsored car), hell we installed 4-wheel steering on i believe a 240sx without paying for parts, and since we do it ourselves the labor is free.



As for it being a "import tuner list"....name something un-needed or classifiable as rice in there...no seriously go ahead and try to do it. Oh too bad you couldn't. And why not? This list has gone through scrutiny time and time again all due to research on my own behalf, this is the first time i reached out for the public's opinion on what is missing.



Now to you talking about my budget....dont ASSUME stuff, seriously. Read my post again and you'll see how i am getting the money. I have a truck to sell, i have a job, i have a sound system to sell. I'm also planning on buying the car with a blown engine, these can usually be had for $5k, hell i've been involved on some "almost" purchases of those exact type of vehicles.



Also which reliability mods am i missing here? Let's see collant system i replaced, vaccuum hoses are a given even though there won't be many due to the non-sequential conversion, fuel has been taken care of with a PFC to manage it and larger injectors and a modified fuel rail, the engine will be completely rebuilt with new housings and the whole shablam, The exhaust will be replaced with a DP and MP from top speed and a dual tip CB for RB.... Can you name me some more reliability mods other then a hood for cooling (which, granted, almost slipped my mind)



You gave me input, so i guess this is my output, do not take offense to what is said but when you come in my topic and tell me what im doing is wrong i'm not exactly going to take it nicely.



so again, g'day sir.



kevin.



edit: also before you mention the 4-puck not being streetable even vosko agrees it is streetable.

teknics

Yea I was considering block off plates because i'll be removing the cat so no need for the rest of the emissions ****. I was gonna talk to amp who i believe made his own, someone made their own i've actually been looking for their name lol.



My gauges are going to be simple D-Series Black Face Defi gauges. The only reason why i didn't list the EGT and A/f gauges was because 1) i don't think i want an EGT gauge 2) I'm hoping to use the "build it yourself" wideband o2 that someone posted a link to. They send you a kit and you put it together, it's not super cheap but it's cheaper then a brand name wideband (although it's from the same people who make the brand name ones, this is simply their alternative company) and overall it's more effective then an A/F gauge.



Oil pressure and Oil Temp are definitely gauges I will need to add to my list though, no idea how they slipped my mind lol.



Tires I'll choose when i have the car and everything on it, in case a sale or whatever is going on, i will be keeping stock rims though. As for suspension I'm still in the research stage as far as that goes, the car's aim is obviously the drag strip so I have to find one properly suited as well as adding in trailing arms, etc. Now when it comes to the Rear Strut Tower bari was half-considering fabrication of a three-point bar that i mentioned to someone who was creating a rear bar with harness attachment points on it...gotta search for the topic in 3rd gen discussion as i forget who it was . Ignition i'm probably going with MSD with a setup like vosko with about 3 of them in there. They've always worked nicely and installed easily for me before so i'll stick by them....however again no idea why i didn't list that ****. So thank you for your suggestions you caught something si missed yet definitely needed.



As for court I have court again on monday as a "status conference" gonna tell my lawyer to try and talk my sentence down to maybe just straight parole or something because rumor is the guys who actually did it one will be out in august and the other one is getting 9 months of parole....so we shall see. The only offer on the table atm is 7 years in prison with 85% served which factors out to just about 6 years total in jail. Thanks for your concern thouggh, it is welcomed.



kevin.

teknics

lol actually this just in that chart with 412rwhp on those twins was only at 16.5psi....the final production is running non-seq with max boost hitting 20psi



imagine the power, vroom vroom. (im a bit behind because most of the info has been on the other forum)



oh and the thing that SPO has (the guy who ran that chart) that i havent listed as something on my list is 850cc primary injectors, and he's only running 1300cc secondaries. Still not sure if ill switch primaries... more research here i come.



kevin.

mjw

There IS an ACT S/S clutch for third gen, also known as the street/strip. This is the clutch many of the people on the forum with modified twins, or small single turbos are using.. and it is rated at a hair over 400ft/lbs. The extreme does cost less like you said, but just because it cost less does not mean it is a better value. I don't see how not choosing a truly streetable clutch over something that chatters and rattles your bones is an obvious choice, but it all depends on your tolerance level and application. On even the BNR turbos I can't imagine someone hitting 400ft/lbs, but I am welcome to being proven wrong. Personally I have had puck clutches before and they are terrible on the street, especially with a lightened flywheel.. they chatter like hell and are very on/off.

And anyone who opts for a 4 puck clutch with only mid 200's torque is really silly, why cause more pain for yourself and wear to your drivetrain if you don't need to..



I think you need to calm down a little bit and listen to what people have to say, most of us have experience owning and modifying the car so it would benefit you to take some positive criticism. If people are coming in and telling what you are doing wrong maybe you should listen before you go off, after all that is why you started the topic is for people's input right? You can't except everyone to come in here and tell your setup is perfect, except criticism and deal with it.



Matt

Bulletproof

Sigh



Maybe we start over - What is the purpose of the car? Street use? 1/4 mile? Road Race? Everything (LOL)



That dyno doesnt look anywhere NEAR 470 RWHP, but I could be wrong, my eyes are going, not to mention you didnt address the fact that the clutch will hold torque instead of horsepower - seems this chart is down on torque too, which AGAIN shows the point i was trying to make, the S/S will be fine, IMHO. Lots of assumptions on the extra power those turbos will make...

I did misread, When you were changing to a unsprung puck clutch, but the point remains the same.. hell you can put a 4-puck in a geo metro, but whats the point?

You have obviously never driven a puck clutch. I have a 4-puck in my race neon and it is a bitch to drive on the street. But, again, your opinion of streetable and mine I'm sure will differ. I would I bet I am older than you too...



When you said "upgrade brakes" to me that meant pads,rotors, lines.. you never said anything about ADDING bigger calipers and larger rotors. Now that I look back, I did not see ANY brake upgrades in the first list you have gone through "time and time again"

Stock rims on a 13.5" rotor? LOL :bigthumg:



As far as you import tuner list goes - WTF is a "Blitz type R BOV:? Noone at Blitz USA or Blitz Japan has ever heard of it?

How about a fuel filter? or lines for that matter? Or are you using the stock supply/return lines? What about a fuel pressure regulator? What size fuel pump? Just going to leave stock suspension on it too? heh Strut Tower bars as the only suspension mod? heh typical Hondatech.



Don't recall ever mentioning your budget, just asked if you had considered it. hell for all I know you could have millions (maybe thats why you are going to jail?) Re-read my sentence, here it is for reference-



"It appeared it was a lot more name dropping for "see what my rx-7 has - bling bling" as opposed to actually thinking out your position, budget and desires/requirements/purpose of the vehicle."



Doesnt seem like I mentioned an amount, but Im glad you did read the post Good luck finding a blown up FD in decent shape for $5k - perhaps the market in Jersey is better.



Very nice that you have a place that will perform thousands of dollars (literally) of labor for you for free. Caveat Emptor, you get what you pay for. Are they going to tune it for you for free too?



Yeah you have the reliability mods there, but the fact remains YOU DONT EVEN HAVE THE CAR YET. How can you possibly know what systems are inadequate for your needs? You are a classic "bench racer" my friend. Upgrading a car you dont have with tons of performance parts you read about.



Renew your subscriptions to Import Tuner and Super Street - they will have all the tech advice you need. Perhaps you can make the readers rides page!



I think I'm with Sinful 7 on this, send me your address, I'll send you a big-ol "Type-R" sticker to drape over the hood and fenders. And those illuminated wiper nozzles. No charge, so your budget stays intact

9BASE3

There's no need to bust his ***** man... This forum is for people to HELP eachother. Not to see who's smarter.



Lots of youngsters and elders make wish lists, and the reality of actually getting everything falls short when they actually see the downtime involved. Most people would rather drive it than see it sit. That and the cars ****** fast to begin with, so modding happens a bit slower.



I had the same list. I started with reliability though, as a mid-high 13 second car is still fast in my book.





And I have a type-R sticker... On the windshield. JDM baby. Christ, leave those jokes in the club-si forum.