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Fd3BOOST 05-24-2004 08:03 PM

Well the lines are all made, I didn't get a chance today to get them all tightened up and seat the injectors. But the most of it's all set. One quick question about the three lines from the firewall. Does it matter which I use as a feed and which I use for the return. Also the third line I leave as a vent correct?

Thanks Keith and Justiin for pointing me in the right direction. I appreciate it. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif

Fd3BOOST 05-24-2004 08:04 PM

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Fd3BOOST 05-24-2004 08:04 PM

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Fd3BOOST 05-24-2004 08:06 PM

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Fd3BOOST 05-24-2004 08:07 PM

Oh one last question aside from the other last question I had.

Keith, do I need to put the resistors in the lines with the injector clips?

Are my new injectors low impedance?

rfreeman27 05-24-2004 08:34 PM

you want the return line connected to the hose coming from the bottom of the FPR.



Keith didnt inclue the resistors in the kit?

Fd3BOOST 05-24-2004 08:49 PM


Originally Posted by rfreeman27' date='May 24 2004, 05:34 PM
you want the return line connected to the hose coming from the bottom of the FPR.



Keith didnt inclue the resistors in the kit?

No, what I need to know is if one of the three stock lines is designated as a return or a feed. I already have the FPR bottom run over to one of the two fuel lines, does it matter which of the two i connect it to?



No Keith set me the injector clips. I can pick up resistors from radio shack it's no biggie. I just need to know if i am suposed to be using them.

amp 05-24-2004 08:52 PM


Originally Posted by 9BASE3' date='Aug 24 2003, 10:08 PM
Yeah... TIGHT

hmmnn..

wonder how k2rd fits theirs with the omp....

http://www.k2rd.com/images/TN/tn_1743100b.jpg

Fd3BOOST 05-24-2004 08:54 PM


Originally Posted by amp' date='May 24 2004, 05:52 PM
hmmnn..

wonder how k2rd fits theirs with the omp....

http://www.k2rd.com/images/TN/tn_1743100b.jpg

Eww that thing is ugly. They sell that?

amp 05-24-2004 08:56 PM


Originally Posted by Fd3BOOST' date='May 24 2004, 08:54 PM
..They sell that?

check here

rfreeman27 05-24-2004 09:09 PM

yes it matters...**** i cant remember which is feed/return/charcole cainster on the stock setup...

Fd3BOOST 05-24-2004 11:21 PM


Originally Posted by rfreeman27' date='May 24 2004, 06:09 PM
yes it matters...**** i cant remember which is feed/return/charcole cainster on the stock setup...

Ok. I'll trace them back. Someone wanna point out which is which?

-=RX-7 KID=- 05-25-2004 03:25 AM

Any one wanna write up a step by step with pics? Or is there one allready out there?

rxrotary2_7 05-25-2004 05:07 AM

Dave,

Bad choice of mounting on the FPR. rule is it must be 6in from firewall. also, i would personaly have run it away from the exhaust side of the car.... other than that, looks like you are making progress. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

did you check that straight coming off the rear of the primary.... may not be enough clearance with injector inplace

rfreeman27 05-25-2004 05:58 AM


Originally Posted by Fd3BOOST' date='May 25 2004, 12:21 AM
Ok. I'll trace them back. Someone wanna point out which is which?

I *think* its



return left

charcole canister center (top)

feed right



(looking from the front of the car)

Fd3BOOST 05-25-2004 05:59 AM


Originally Posted by rxrotary2_7' date='May 25 2004, 02:07 AM
Dave,

Bad choice of mounting on the FPR. rule is it must be 6in from firewall. also, i would personaly have run it away from the exhaust side of the car.... other than that, looks like you are making progress. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

did you check that straight coming off the rear of the primary.... may not be enough clearance with injector inplace

Well that sucks considering that means I just wasted $60 in line and most likely $100 in fittings that wont work when I have to re route everything. I did consider mounting it away from the hot side of teh engine bay but could not come up with a clean mounting point. Why must it be 6" away from the firewall? I did check the lines with injectors and they do all clear even the one you mention. Well i would like to know why i need to move it before I dump another $100 into this $1100 fuel system that just keeps getting more expensive. And I wonder why I ask a thousand questions! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub..._DIR#>/sad.png

rfreeman27 05-25-2004 06:06 AM


Originally Posted by Fd3BOOST' date='May 25 2004, 06:59 AM
Well that sucks considering that means I just wasted $60 in line and most likely $100 in fittings that wont work when I have to re route everything. I did consider mounting it away from the hot side of teh engine bay but could not come up with a clean mounting point. Why must it be 6" away from the firewall? I did check the lines with injectors and they do all clear even the one you mention. Well i would like to know why i need to move it before I dump another $100 into this $1100 fuel system that just keeps getting more expensive. And I wonder why I ask a thousand questions! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub..._DIR#>/sad.png

I think it's a NHRA rule...not positive tho.



I was gonna say somethin about the fuel routed over the exhaust...but figured it was too high to make a real difference.

Fd3BOOST 05-25-2004 06:12 AM

Well if it's just a lame drag racing rule I am not too worried about it. I also had just planned on wrapping the DP so i didn't really think the hot side of the engine would be all that bad, but hey i'll see if i can come up with somthing else.

Fd3BOOST 05-25-2004 06:13 AM


Originally Posted by -=RX-7 KID=-' date='May 25 2004, 12:25 AM
Any one wanna write up a step by step with pics? Or is there one allready out there?

I wish that someone had pointed some of this stuff out to me before I mounted, cut and bought all my fittings as opposed to after. Like my new title? https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

rxrotary2_7 05-25-2004 06:32 AM

now you see why i offer the pre-done kits. over time i dont even want to think about how much i persoanly have wasted on fittings that i *thought* i needed, cant use, whatever....

not saying anything about you Dave, but the people that complain (you didnt) the most about the entire system price for something like you are trying to put together are always the ones who also come back and say... "DAMN! i should have just had you make everything for me... it would have saved me a month of figuring it out and $200 (or whatever they wasted) on the whole thing"...

Fd3BOOST 05-25-2004 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by rxrotary2_7' date='May 25 2004, 03:32 AM
now you see why i offer the pre-done kits. over time i dont even want to think about how much i persoanly have wasted on fittings that i *thought* i needed, cant use, whatever....

not saying anything about you Dave, but the people that complain (you didnt) the most about the entire system price for something like you are trying to put together are always the ones who also come back and say... "DAMN! i should have just had you make everything for me... it would have saved me a month of figuring it out and $200 (or whatever they wasted) on the whole thing"...

I hear that. My first post in reguards to my mismount was me jut swaking up and realizing that i am not as close to done as I thought. But after looking at It shouldn't be that big of a deal to move it. I might end up having to buy maybe one or two more fittings and I was smart enough tobuy more hose than I needed so I still have about 6' left. I guess it's no big deal. I just hate it when I am not right.

I still could use soem more clarification on the exact identification of the feed/return lines. I will use Bobbys advice but since I have already removed the hardlines it's hard to tell which was which. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683561.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif

rxrotary2_7 05-25-2004 06:46 AM

i cant remember off the top of my head and i dont have a manual near me. i know its in the manual around f-94 to f119 or something like that. the one closest to the driver side of the car is the canister one if memory serves.... sorry, if you dont figure it out, i will check lter today for you.

9BASE3 05-25-2004 07:24 AM

Dave,



I'm almost positive the answer is in one of my threads as I asked the same thing.. along with the 6 inch from firewall thing..(Sorry, I didn't think to even bring it up..) Unfortunately searching posts with my name and fuel anywhere in the criteria will land you half the fuggin 3rd gen section LOL.. I'll keep looking.



J

9BASE3 05-25-2004 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by amp' date='May 24 2004, 07:52 PM
hmmnn..

wonder how k2rd fits theirs with the omp....

http://www.k2rd.com/images/TN/tn_1743100b.jpg

Damn. Good find! I NEVER saw that before.

9BASE3 05-25-2004 07:28 AM

Oh, and FYI:



Eric (Cheatham) has been running the FPR on the firewall for like 5 years and never got hassled about it and he drag races all the time. Could be different elsewhere, just thought I'd share. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

Fd3BOOST 05-25-2004 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by rxrotary2_7' date='May 25 2004, 03:46 AM
i cant remember off the top of my head and i dont have a manual near me. i know its in the manual around f-94 to f119 or something like that. the one closest to the driver side of the car is the canister one if memory serves.... sorry, if you dont figure it out, i will check lter today for you.

Derrh, i didn't think to look in my WSM. I will look there.

Fd3BOOST 05-25-2004 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by 9BASE3' date='May 25 2004, 04:28 AM
Oh, and FYI:



Eric (Cheatham) has been running the FPR on the firewall for like 5 years and never got hassled about it and he drag races all the time. Could be different elsewhere, just thought I'd share. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

Does he have it on the turbo side ofthe engine like myself?

METALGEAR 05-25-2004 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by Fd3BOOST' date='May 25 2004, 05:22 AM
Does he have it on the turbo side ofthe engine like myself?

You can see it between the uim and firewall. I've never been hassled about it being there. I don't think they're very strict to us slow imports.



http://www.spymac.com/upload/gallery...oad_108159.jpg

Fd3BOOST 05-25-2004 12:53 PM

Dude, where did you hide your brake lines? I have my abs out as well but i still have the one brake line.

METALGEAR 05-25-2004 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by Fd3BOOST' date='May 25 2004, 09:53 AM
Dude, where did you hide your brake lines? I have my abs out as well but i still have the one brake line.

Yeah, I wanted it to be as clean as possible under the hood so I routed the passenger side brake line along the rear of the engine subframe and up and under the brake booster. It's very hard to see.

9BASE3 05-25-2004 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by METALGEAR' date='May 25 2004, 12:42 PM
Yeah, I wanted it to be as clean as possible under the hood

So what's with the dirt you monkey? https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683664.gif

METALGEAR 05-25-2004 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by 9BASE3' date='May 25 2004, 10:59 AM
So what's with the dirt you monkey? https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683664.gif

offroadin https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683473.gif

Fd3BOOST 05-25-2004 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by METALGEAR' date='May 25 2004, 10:42 AM
Yeah, I wanted it to be as clean as possible under the hood so I routed the passenger side brake line along the rear of the engine subframe and up and under the brake booster. It's very hard to see.

Then you forgot to move the fan relays down into the bumper.

METALGEAR 05-25-2004 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by Fd3BOOST' date='May 25 2004, 01:04 PM
Then you forgot to move the fan relays down into the bumper.

Maybe I'll do that someday.......

Fd3BOOST 05-25-2004 08:21 PM


Originally Posted by METALGEAR' date='May 25 2004, 04:08 PM
Maybe I'll do that someday.......

What turbo are you using BTW?

METALGEAR 05-25-2004 09:26 PM


Originally Posted by Fd3BOOST' date='May 25 2004, 05:21 PM
What turbo are you using BTW?

that ol junker hks t51r kai https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/wacko.png

ccarlisi 05-26-2004 12:00 AM

RE FPR mounting: I went through this in Oct. The aren't many options. I removed my stock pulsation damper so I wanted to keep the SX regulator as close to the rails as possible to take advantage of its pulsation damping qualities (although I'm not sure how useless this is when it's not positioned between the rails).



Initially I was thinking of putting it in front of the manifold, but decided against this

because I didn't feel comfortable putting a fuel source right behind the alternator. (alternator sparks and fuel vapors don't mix :-p).



Plan B was behind the manifold, but as others have noted NHRA requires it to be 6 inches away from the firewall.



Finally, I ended up mounting it where everyone else seems to-the driver side shock tower. Aside from the extra line length the other downside to this location is it makes getting to the spark plugs and oil filter even more of a pita. In the end though it's the lesser of evils.



RE injector gromets: Dave Newbern makes a great injector spacer kit for the Bosch 1680s.

http://dave.newbern.org/rx7/Injector...tor%20bung.jpg

As many of you know the diameter of the secondary injector openings in the LIM is larger than the outer diameter of the o-rings on the Bosch 1680cc injectors.



http://dave.newbern.org/rx7/Injector.../insulator.jpg

Dave’s sleeve provides more support for the o-rings by filling the gap.

http://dave.newbern.org/rx7/InjectorBushing/bushing.jpg

rfreeman27 05-26-2004 06:07 AM

That's kinda neat. And for 25 bucks...i might buy a set to eliminate the insulator...

Fd3BOOST 05-26-2004 08:28 AM

Cool, more places to spend money. Thanks for the link. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/ohmy.png

9BASE3 05-26-2004 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by Fd3BOOST' date='May 26 2004, 07:28 AM
Cool, more places to spend money. Thanks for the link. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/ohmy.png

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