Uh, lets try and ask this question...to where
10-12-2002, 10:18 PM
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uh, I can't explain it real well, so I'll just post the saved file from aim....
You g uys might know him from hte "other forum" Brandon Matthews aka No7Yet:
TheNewWazoo: remove cat
TheNewWazoo: gasket exists between flanges (i.e. the front cat flange and rear connecting pipe flange)
TheNewWazoo: trace gasket on paper
TheNewWazoo: reinstall exhaust
TheNewWazoo: get straight pipe
TheNewWazoo: argh
TheNewWazoo: gotta run again
A3Dee: ahh.. hurry back.
TheNewWazoo signed off at 3:00:57 PM.
TheNewWazoo signed on at 3:40:13 PM.
A3Dee: wb
TheNewWazoo: re
A3Dee: rather, is it safe for you to talk?
TheNewWazoo: yah
TheNewWazoo: it was safe before, just my boss is more important :-)
A3Dee: heh, well understandable.
A3Dee: well, what I was last gonna say was... so I trace the gasket on paper... show it to the shop.. tell them I want 24" of 2.5" straight piping?
TheNewWazoo: yup
TheNewWazoo: measure the length of the cat to make sure tho
A3Dee: and that would actually work?
TheNewWazoo: I don't think it's different between TIIs and N/A, but...
A3Dee: most likely not, but it's good to make sure.
TheNewWazoo: tell them "I need you guys to weld up a 24" long (including flanges) piece of 2.5" pipe with flanges that match <this>"
TheNewWazoo: come back in two hours, pay $40ish, and walk away w/ a "race pipe" :-P
A3Dee: ok.. so they'll wield up the flanges as well to match the drawing of the gasket? Right. I got it.. lol
TheNewWazoo: they'll have flanges in stock that'll match
A3Dee: heh, yeah $40 bux is ALOT cheaper than $400 for hte kit from racing beat.
TheNewWazoo: no shizzl
A3Dee: steve thinks I should go ahead with the racingbeat one.. instead of doing a shop.. im like.. uh, no.. Atleast I think that's what he said yesterday lol
TheNewWazoo: well, the RB piece is a downpipe/presilencer
A3Dee: well, true
TheNewWazoo: it's much much much nicer
TheNewWazoo: and wil sound ASSLOADS better
A3Dee: but really expensive.
TheNewWazoo: but for on-the-cheap, yeah
TheNewWazoo: you'll still have precats to worry about, too
A3Dee: well.... if/when I get the straight pipe.. im gonna be buying the $187 header...
TheNewWazoo: the RB dp elminates those
A3Dee: hmm.. I thought after you put the straight pipe on you get rid of all the cats?
TheNewWazoo: nah, just the main cat
TheNewWazoo: it'll make sense once you get under the car
TheNewWazoo: (hence, my maxim of "start fixing now, ask questions as you go")
A3Dee: true, you could be right.
A3Dee: yeah... I knew.
A3Dee: know*
A3Dee: I won't be doing it really.. until nov-dec.
A3Dee: that is *IF* I get my job, and money coming in.
TheNewWazoo: ah
TheNewWazoo: then fuxx0r the straight pipe
TheNewWazoo: just get the RB dp
TheNewWazoo: it pwns j00
A3Dee: im only waiting til then, cause that's when this years autox is done, so I don't get bump'd up to CSP until Jan.
TheNewWazoo: bah
TheNewWazoo: no offense, but
TheNewWazoo: you suck too bad to worry about what class you're in yet :-P
TheNewWazoo: worry about that after you start vying for 1st place in class :-)
A3Dee: hmm... if you get the RB dp don't you have to get something else to replace the other? ugh im confused.
A3Dee: I'm NOT gonna win my class...
TheNewWazoo: the RB dp replaces the precats and connecting pipe
TheNewWazoo: the header
TheNewWazoo: replaces the precats, connecting pipe and maincat
A3Dee: there is *no* way I can beat the 944.. I rather move up to CSP and try to win people in there, than to stick in the class I'm in now.... it gets boring after a while... trying to beat the same person I'm unable to beat.
A3Dee: ahh, I get ya.
TheNewWazoo: argh
TheNewWazoo: n/m dp provides dp and presilencer
TheNewWazoo: replace precats only
A3Dee: er, now you're confusing me lol
TheNewWazoo: headers replace all cats and connecting pipe
A3Dee: ok.. that's what I thought.
A3Dee: sorry, you had kinda confused me - like that's not hard.
TheNewWazoo: headers sound ultra-mega cool
TheNewWazoo: heh
TheNewWazoo: tis okay
TheNewWazoo: for now, just gut them :-P
A3Dee: hmm.. everyone says that putting a header on my car or any rx7.. is not gonna sound cool, and people will hate you. I just reply with "whatever" lol.
TheNewWazoo: whatever :-P
A3Dee: hm, my parents will not let me. Hell, I don't even htink he's gonna let me mod this car.. he said.. that he might be buying me either a 1st or another 2nd gen for a race only car.
TheNewWazoo: Apexi N1 + RB header/presilencer = teh badass
A3Dee: agree, but $$$$ expensive.
TheNewWazoo: even if you have a race car
TheNewWazoo: why shouldn't you mod your street car to make it more fun to drive?
TheNewWazoo: hell, that's the one you spend the most time in
A3Dee: eh, I told him that.. he's ilke "i'll talk about it with you when I get home" - I sometimes wish I just lived on my own.. .to not hear him talk.... bleh.
So, is there a chance for me to get the exhaust shop to weild the pipe for me? That, and how big is it around the Flange? Is it the same for all models? I have an 88 GXL.
You g uys might know him from hte "other forum" Brandon Matthews aka No7Yet:
TheNewWazoo: remove cat
TheNewWazoo: gasket exists between flanges (i.e. the front cat flange and rear connecting pipe flange)
TheNewWazoo: trace gasket on paper
TheNewWazoo: reinstall exhaust
TheNewWazoo: get straight pipe
TheNewWazoo: argh
TheNewWazoo: gotta run again
A3Dee: ahh.. hurry back.
TheNewWazoo signed off at 3:00:57 PM.
TheNewWazoo signed on at 3:40:13 PM.
A3Dee: wb
TheNewWazoo: re
A3Dee: rather, is it safe for you to talk?
TheNewWazoo: yah
TheNewWazoo: it was safe before, just my boss is more important :-)
A3Dee: heh, well understandable.
A3Dee: well, what I was last gonna say was... so I trace the gasket on paper... show it to the shop.. tell them I want 24" of 2.5" straight piping?
TheNewWazoo: yup
TheNewWazoo: measure the length of the cat to make sure tho
A3Dee: and that would actually work?
TheNewWazoo: I don't think it's different between TIIs and N/A, but...
A3Dee: most likely not, but it's good to make sure.
TheNewWazoo: tell them "I need you guys to weld up a 24" long (including flanges) piece of 2.5" pipe with flanges that match <this>"
TheNewWazoo: come back in two hours, pay $40ish, and walk away w/ a "race pipe" :-P
A3Dee: ok.. so they'll wield up the flanges as well to match the drawing of the gasket? Right. I got it.. lol
TheNewWazoo: they'll have flanges in stock that'll match
A3Dee: heh, yeah $40 bux is ALOT cheaper than $400 for hte kit from racing beat.
TheNewWazoo: no shizzl
A3Dee: steve thinks I should go ahead with the racingbeat one.. instead of doing a shop.. im like.. uh, no.. Atleast I think that's what he said yesterday lol
TheNewWazoo: well, the RB piece is a downpipe/presilencer
A3Dee: well, true
TheNewWazoo: it's much much much nicer
TheNewWazoo: and wil sound ASSLOADS better
A3Dee: but really expensive.
TheNewWazoo: but for on-the-cheap, yeah
TheNewWazoo: you'll still have precats to worry about, too
A3Dee: well.... if/when I get the straight pipe.. im gonna be buying the $187 header...
TheNewWazoo: the RB dp elminates those
A3Dee: hmm.. I thought after you put the straight pipe on you get rid of all the cats?
TheNewWazoo: nah, just the main cat
TheNewWazoo: it'll make sense once you get under the car
TheNewWazoo: (hence, my maxim of "start fixing now, ask questions as you go")
A3Dee: true, you could be right.
A3Dee: yeah... I knew.
A3Dee: know*
A3Dee: I won't be doing it really.. until nov-dec.
A3Dee: that is *IF* I get my job, and money coming in.
TheNewWazoo: ah
TheNewWazoo: then fuxx0r the straight pipe
TheNewWazoo: just get the RB dp
TheNewWazoo: it pwns j00
A3Dee: im only waiting til then, cause that's when this years autox is done, so I don't get bump'd up to CSP until Jan.
TheNewWazoo: bah
TheNewWazoo: no offense, but
TheNewWazoo: you suck too bad to worry about what class you're in yet :-P
TheNewWazoo: worry about that after you start vying for 1st place in class :-)
A3Dee: hmm... if you get the RB dp don't you have to get something else to replace the other? ugh im confused.
A3Dee: I'm NOT gonna win my class...
TheNewWazoo: the RB dp replaces the precats and connecting pipe
TheNewWazoo: the header
TheNewWazoo: replaces the precats, connecting pipe and maincat
A3Dee: there is *no* way I can beat the 944.. I rather move up to CSP and try to win people in there, than to stick in the class I'm in now.... it gets boring after a while... trying to beat the same person I'm unable to beat.
A3Dee: ahh, I get ya.
TheNewWazoo: argh
TheNewWazoo: n/m dp provides dp and presilencer
TheNewWazoo: replace precats only
A3Dee: er, now you're confusing me lol
TheNewWazoo: headers replace all cats and connecting pipe
A3Dee: ok.. that's what I thought.
A3Dee: sorry, you had kinda confused me - like that's not hard.
TheNewWazoo: headers sound ultra-mega cool
TheNewWazoo: heh
TheNewWazoo: tis okay
TheNewWazoo: for now, just gut them :-P
A3Dee: hmm.. everyone says that putting a header on my car or any rx7.. is not gonna sound cool, and people will hate you. I just reply with "whatever" lol.
TheNewWazoo: whatever :-P
A3Dee: hm, my parents will not let me. Hell, I don't even htink he's gonna let me mod this car.. he said.. that he might be buying me either a 1st or another 2nd gen for a race only car.
TheNewWazoo: Apexi N1 + RB header/presilencer = teh badass
A3Dee: agree, but $$$$ expensive.
TheNewWazoo: even if you have a race car
TheNewWazoo: why shouldn't you mod your street car to make it more fun to drive?
TheNewWazoo: hell, that's the one you spend the most time in
A3Dee: eh, I told him that.. he's ilke "i'll talk about it with you when I get home" - I sometimes wish I just lived on my own.. .to not hear him talk.... bleh.
So, is there a chance for me to get the exhaust shop to weild the pipe for me? That, and how big is it around the Flange? Is it the same for all models? I have an 88 GXL.
10-12-2002, 10:39 PM
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just get the Bonez race pipe, it is $150 and it replaces all 3 cats, and comes with all the flanges you need, just get a couple bolts and nuts, it even tells you how to install it on the site, I believe it is rx7.com, one of the sponsors here may have it also, I got it, I installed it, very simple, makes a little bit of a difference, probably more if your cats are clogged. makes the car a little bit louder though.
10-12-2002, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by SoniX' date='Oct 13 2002, 03:39 AM
just get the Bonez race pipe, it is $150 and it replaces all 3 cats, and comes with all the flanges you need, just get a couple bolts and nuts, it even tells you how to install it on the site, I believe it is rx7.com, one of the sponsors here may have it also, I got it, I installed it, very simple, makes a little bit of a difference, probably more if your cats are clogged. makes the car a little bit louder though.
10-12-2002, 10:48 PM
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Well, my plan was if I could do cheap mods first:
get the exhaust shop to wield me a pipe from the cat-back... put a header(maybe) and mufflers on.. for now.
As I don't really have the money to spend much right now....
get the exhaust shop to wield me a pipe from the cat-back... put a header(maybe) and mufflers on.. for now.
As I don't really have the money to spend much right now....
10-13-2002, 11:51 AM
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look for used racing beat stuff, it never goes bad. btw the t2 and na cats, are the same externally. what you can do i hollow out the first 2 cats (once you look under there all will become clear), or they may already be if the car has more than 100k on it. and make the main cat bypass pipe.
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10-13-2002, 12:09 PM
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Gettinga pipe made will just not work. Ther are angles involved where the cat would be. Is easier to just get a race pipe that was already made cause is has been engineered to fit.
THe racing beat system is worth the money, it iwll out last the car and it fits. And the noise willnot go thru the metal like normal exhaust pipe. So the car would be quieter underneath.
Too bad, I just sold my n/a system really cheap, youshould of asked sooner.
Trust me for, using normal exhaust tubing will not last. THe racing beat units will out last the car in the long run.
C
THe racing beat system is worth the money, it iwll out last the car and it fits. And the noise willnot go thru the metal like normal exhaust pipe. So the car would be quieter underneath.
Too bad, I just sold my n/a system really cheap, youshould of asked sooner.
Trust me for, using normal exhaust tubing will not last. THe racing beat units will out last the car in the long run.
C
10-13-2002, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by turborotor' date='Oct 13 2002, 12:09 PM
Gettinga pipe made will just not work. Ther are angles involved where the cat would be. Is easier to just get a race pipe that was already made cause is has been engineered to fit.
THe racing beat system is worth the money, it iwll out last the car and it fits. And the noise willnot go thru the metal like normal exhaust pipe. So the car would be quieter underneath.
Too bad, I just sold my n/a system really cheap, youshould of asked sooner.
Trust me for, using normal exhaust tubing will not last. THe racing beat units will out last the car in the long run.
C
THe racing beat system is worth the money, it iwll out last the car and it fits. And the noise willnot go thru the metal like normal exhaust pipe. So the car would be quieter underneath.
Too bad, I just sold my n/a system really cheap, youshould of asked sooner.
Trust me for, using normal exhaust tubing will not last. THe racing beat units will out last the car in the long run.
C
10-13-2002, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob x-7' date='Oct 13 2002, 03:11 PM
[quote name='turborotor' date='Oct 13 2002, 12:09 PM']Gettinga pipe made will just not work. Ther are angles involved where the cat would be. Is easier to just get a race pipe that was already made cause is has been engineered to fit.
THe racing beat system is worth the money, it iwll out last the car and it fits. And the noise willnot go thru the metal like normal exhaust pipe. So the car would be quieter underneath.
Too bad, I just sold my n/a system really cheap, youshould of asked sooner.
Trust me for, using normal exhaust tubing will not last. THe racing beat units will out last the car in the long run.
C
THe racing beat system is worth the money, it iwll out last the car and it fits. And the noise willnot go thru the metal like normal exhaust pipe. So the car would be quieter underneath.
Too bad, I just sold my n/a system really cheap, youshould of asked sooner.
Trust me for, using normal exhaust tubing will not last. THe racing beat units will out last the car in the long run.
C
Exactly, Mazdatrix will have the heavier duty flanges. Regular flanges at a exhaust place will just not last the hot breath from the rotary.
C
10-13-2002, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by turborotor' date='Oct 13 2002, 02:22 PM
[quote name='Rob x-7' date='Oct 13 2002, 03:11 PM'][quote name='turborotor' date='Oct 13 2002, 12:09 PM']Gettinga pipe made will just not work. Ther are angles involved where the cat would be. Is easier to just get a race pipe that was already made cause is has been engineered to fit.
THe racing beat system is worth the money, it iwll out last the car and it fits. And the noise willnot go thru the metal like normal exhaust pipe. So the car would be quieter underneath.
Too bad, I just sold my n/a system really cheap, youshould of asked sooner.
Trust me for, using normal exhaust tubing will not last. THe racing beat units will out last the car in the long run.
C
THe racing beat system is worth the money, it iwll out last the car and it fits. And the noise willnot go thru the metal like normal exhaust pipe. So the car would be quieter underneath.
Too bad, I just sold my n/a system really cheap, youshould of asked sooner.
Trust me for, using normal exhaust tubing will not last. THe racing beat units will out last the car in the long run.
C
Exactly, Mazdatrix will have the heavier duty flanges. Regular flanges at a exhaust place will just not last the hot breath from the rotary.
C[/quote]
I was talking about the gasket, MazdaTrix uses mild steel, good quality stainless is a better choice and any exaust shop has that.