well put the safc in there, its better than nothing

ive only seen a 3 mod rule mentioned for a 3rd gen. you could nearly do a turbo conversion for the price of a standalone ECU. NEARLY

Unless your going for the ultimate 300 hp N/A FC. Standalone is a waste of money IMHO. Safc is fine with the mods you have. In all aspects standalone isnt worth it. Remember, once you buy the standalone your gunna need to tune it which will cost more money if ur gunna do it right.

we gained something like 15-20lbs feet between 4-6k rpms, and an extra 1000rpms of peak power by going from a stock ecu to an e6x, on a stock port s5 motor, only mods were headers, and no 6 ports

it's not the fact that you gain power from a different ecu, but just the fact that the ecu in the fcs are between 15-20 years old. not to mention the brittle out of date wiring harness. plus the fact you don't have to deal with if you want to have streetported or bridgeported engine thrown into the car later on down the road.



and whoever can do a turbo swap for the price of a standalone, tell me where to sign up. because I just can't even see that happen.

uhh i know of several jdm motor dealers with turbo swaps for less then 1k, i bought mine for 900 shipping came to 400 so 1300 for a long block. ecu, harness and other misc stuff is cheap if you get off forum members.



As for the labor part? Just find a rotorhead near you willing to help out. If not do like what i did and just research ALOT and DIY. If you run into trouble there is always lookups on the forums.

But all in all people, i think he is just really asking if he NEEDS it if he starts modding his engine. ATM it looks like he is running stock with bolt ons so in my opinion he doesnt.

Hmmm, yeah. And what do you think will happen to that J-spec 13bt in about 10-12k miles? POP!!! Those engines were not treated nicely I can tell you that.



And you can find a Haltech for under 1k, Power FC is around 1100-1200, maybe even less.



I am not doubting you at all, just having a discussion.



And yes, he does NOT need a standalone with simple bolt ons, but it would be nice to have, just for simplicity.

plain and simple:



a standalone will always be able to squeeze more out of a car then the stock ecu. it will also allow you to run safely and monitor systems closely.

a standalone is one of THE best investments for ANY vehicle.

A stock ecu is programmed so conservatively that its ridiculous. especially rotaries.



sure if you want to be "the typical fc owner" then cheap it around till the whole thing implodes and then blame it on the car.



To answer your question directly, no you dont *need* a standalone, but the chances of your car suffering from lack of a standalone is high. Having a tunable computer is 1000x better then a stock ecu. EVen just running an RTek or something would be fine. But a system like Wolf or Haltech lets you replace your wiring harness which helps prevent little shorts in your 15 year old stock harness from causing you headaches.



doing it right always pays off.

go ahead and flame me BTW havent had that happen in a while, some disinformation floating through this thread, disinformation + newbie isn't good. give this guy proper advice, sheesh.

kevin.

thanks for the help guys i have been playing with fd's alot and i am just now getting into fc's and slowly finding out that though the cars are simalar there is a world of diffrence between them thanks