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Rob x-7 06-11-2004 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by 83turbo' date='Jun 11 2004, 08:29 AM
Make sure the secondaries are working. I read (I think on the evil forum) that someont had a problem with this.

You can unhook the secondary linkage and see if it loses power, or put a screw in the linkage to force the secondaries to open.

he might have a 600 vacuum secondaries, only a 600 double pumper

would have linkage for the secondaries



might sound silly- but are you sure the carb is fully open at WOT?

j9fd3s 06-11-2004 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by Seraphx7' date='Jun 11 2004, 08:33 AM
Let alone a carbed one? https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683561.gif a carb is the best way to get power from a N/A.

the same size carb will always be down on power than the same size efi, becase the carb has to have a venturi. also efi can be tuned for a broader range, so it usually will make better power off peak than the carb

Rob x-7 06-11-2004 05:47 PM

it seems that most of the people who modify NA RX7s always

go carb to keep it simple I guess



so that maybe that is the reason why its thought to make more

power?

marcus7 06-11-2004 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by Seraphx7' date='Jun 11 2004, 08:33 AM
Let alone a carbed one? https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683561.gif a carb is the best way to get power from a N/A.

Based on every class of motor racing I’ve ever seen, I would have to disagree. If EFI is allowed, any team with money immediately ditches the carburetor.

venomrx7 06-11-2004 07:03 PM

fuel injection is by far superior. power and tuning wise.



why do you think jegs has 3000 dollar injection systems for old skool chevys? it makes more power than carb.



carb is just simpler, not better. stick with fi.

j9fd3s 06-12-2004 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by Rob x-7' date='Jun 11 2004, 02:47 PM
it seems that most of the people who modify NA RX7s always

go carb to keep it simple I guess



so that maybe that is the reason why its thought to make more

power?

its simple and usually larger, makes more power that way

83turbo 06-12-2004 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by Rob x-7' date='Jun 11 2004, 02:43 PM
he might have a 600 vacuum secondaries, only a 600 double pumper

would have linkage for the secondaries



might sound silly- but are you sure the carb is fully open at WOT?

I'll try to clarify - the "linkage" I meant to is really more of an actuator

rod coming from the secondary vacuum pod. Looking at a Holley, I also see that

if you unhook this to disable to secondaries, it is also necessary to wire the

secondary throttle shaft closed as there is no other spring. Then you just

drive an note any power loss. If you don't see any difference, the secondaries

weren't working to begin with.

The other secondary linkage present on a vacuum secondary carb is the lockout

that prevents the secondaries from opening before the primaries are open far

enough. You can stick a screw in this one and thus make it force the secondaries

to open (rather than just limiting when they can open). It's a rig, but

makes for a useful test. If the car now has more power, you've got a problem

such as a bad diaphragm (these get torn all the time when the vacuum pod

is reassembled from a spring change due to the cheap nature of the diaphragm).

venomrx7 06-12-2004 04:55 PM

holley's are too much trouble, get a demon or edelbrock. not too much more, and loads better.

Rob x-7 06-13-2004 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by 83turbo' date='Jun 12 2004, 03:49 PM
I'll try to clarify - the "linkage" I meant to is really more of an actuator

rod coming from the secondary vacuum pod. Looking at a Holley, I also see that

if you unhook this to disable to secondaries, it is also necessary to wire the

secondary throttle shaft closed as there is no other spring. Then you just

drive an note any power loss. If you don't see any difference, the secondaries

weren't working to begin with.

The other secondary linkage present on a vacuum secondary carb is the lockout

that prevents the secondaries from opening before the primaries are open far

enough. You can stick a screw in this one and thus make it force the secondaries

to open (rather than just limiting when they can open). It's a rig, but

makes for a useful test. If the car now has more power, you've got a problem

such as a bad diaphragm (these get torn all the time when the vacuum pod

is reassembled from a spring change due to the cheap nature of the diaphragm).

why not peek in the carb, open the throttle all the way and see if there

is gas coming out of the secondaries?

83turbo 06-13-2004 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by Rob x-7' date='Jun 13 2004, 10:58 AM
why not peek in the carb, open the throttle all the way and see if there

is gas coming out of the secondaries?

Engine needs to be under a load for the secondaries to really open. In neutral

they will barely move at all. They may open visibly if you rev the crap out

of it.


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