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03-16-2003, 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Apex13B' date='Mar 16 2003, 10:20 PM
I am in 100% percent agreement on that matter, I owned a Mustang and a 3.8l Grand-Am before my gtu and my vert....you cant beat a smart little motor, and good gearing. Just learn not to be afraid to rev the **** out of it, and you will be rewarded, it took a while for me to do this. I always though "dont go past 7000, it'll pop"....HAH
03-16-2003, 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 89 Rag' date='Mar 17 2003, 05:25 AM
I'm always partial to the term Pisswound, no such thing as valve float here, seeing the tach @ 9k is a beautiful thing...
apex seal float starts around 8500rpm with the stock 2mm 3 piece seals and stock springs... it's essentially the rotary equivalent to valve float.
03-16-2003, 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by pengaru' date='Mar 16 2003, 10:41 PM
eek, be careful, we still have limitations 
apex seal float starts around 8500rpm with the stock 2mm 3 piece seals and stock springs... it's essentially the rotary equivalent to valve float.
apex seal float starts around 8500rpm with the stock 2mm 3 piece seals and stock springs... it's essentially the rotary equivalent to valve float.
03-16-2003, 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 89 Rag' date='Mar 17 2003, 05:44 AM
[quote name='pengaru' date='Mar 16 2003, 10:41 PM'] eek, be careful, we still have limitations
apex seal float starts around 8500rpm with the stock 2mm 3 piece seals and stock springs... it's essentially the rotary equivalent to valve float.
apex seal float starts around 8500rpm with the stock 2mm 3 piece seals and stock springs... it's essentially the rotary equivalent to valve float.
apples to apples, stock NSX motor redline is 8,000, stock s2000 redline is 9,000 if I'm not mistaken...
once you start talking about whats possible with high dollar mods (ianettis are > $1k last i checked?) it's no longer a fair comparison, people can build valvetrains that take high revs too.
03-16-2003, 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by pengaru' date='Mar 16 2003, 10:53 PM
[quote name='89 Rag' date='Mar 17 2003, 05:44 AM'] [quote name='pengaru' date='Mar 16 2003, 10:41 PM'] eek, be careful, we still have limitations
apex seal float starts around 8500rpm with the stock 2mm 3 piece seals and stock springs... it's essentially the rotary equivalent to valve float.
apex seal float starts around 8500rpm with the stock 2mm 3 piece seals and stock springs... it's essentially the rotary equivalent to valve float.
apples to apples, stock NSX motor redline is 8,000, stock s2000 redline is 9,000 if I'm not mistaken...
once you start talking about whats possible with high dollar mods (ianettis are > $1k last i checked?) it's no longer a fair comparison, people can build valvetrains that take high revs too. [/quote]
true, although I wasn't looking for an arguement.
03-17-2003, 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by 89 Rag' date='Mar 17 2003, 05:57 AM
[quote name='pengaru' date='Mar 16 2003, 10:53 PM'] [quote name='89 Rag' date='Mar 17 2003, 05:44 AM'] [quote name='pengaru' date='Mar 16 2003, 10:41 PM'] eek, be careful, we still have limitations
apex seal float starts around 8500rpm with the stock 2mm 3 piece seals and stock springs... it's essentially the rotary equivalent to valve float.
apex seal float starts around 8500rpm with the stock 2mm 3 piece seals and stock springs... it's essentially the rotary equivalent to valve float.
apples to apples, stock NSX motor redline is 8,000, stock s2000 redline is 9,000 if I'm not mistaken...
once you start talking about whats possible with high dollar mods (ianettis are > $1k last i checked?) it's no longer a fair comparison, people can build valvetrains that take high revs too. [/quote]
true, although I wasn't looking for an arguement. [/quote]
I'm not looking for an argument either... buf if I see something that is not right and I know it, I have to speak up. Otherwise I feel responsible for the propagation of stupidity/misinformation.
Had I not said anything, how many other readers would tell their friends things like 'hey, no such thing as valve float on a rotary, I can rev to infinity'... which is not the case at all.
nothing personal, this is just how I am... I appreciate it when others correct me when I am mistaken too.
03-17-2003, 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by pengaru' date='Mar 17 2003, 12:20 AM
[quote name='89 Rag' date='Mar 17 2003, 05:57 AM'] [quote name='pengaru' date='Mar 16 2003, 10:53 PM'] [quote name='89 Rag' date='Mar 17 2003, 05:44 AM'] [quote name='pengaru' date='Mar 16 2003, 10:41 PM'] eek, be careful, we still have limitations
apex seal float starts around 8500rpm with the stock 2mm 3 piece seals and stock springs... it's essentially the rotary equivalent to valve float.
apex seal float starts around 8500rpm with the stock 2mm 3 piece seals and stock springs... it's essentially the rotary equivalent to valve float.
apples to apples, stock NSX motor redline is 8,000, stock s2000 redline is 9,000 if I'm not mistaken...
once you start talking about whats possible with high dollar mods (ianettis are > $1k last i checked?) it's no longer a fair comparison, people can build valvetrains that take high revs too. [/quote]
true, although I wasn't looking for an arguement. [/quote]
I'm not looking for an argument either... buf if I see something that is not right and I know it, I have to speak up. Otherwise I feel responsible for the propagation of stupidity/misinformation.
Had I not said anything, how many other readers would tell their friends things like 'hey, no such thing as valve float on a rotary, I can rev to infinity'... which is not the case at all.
nothing personal, this is just how I am... I appreciate it when others correct me when I am mistaken too. [/quote]
Hold the phone there guy, you have overstated some things here,
First: I didn't say they could be wound to infinity, I said 9k, not at all a far strectch from factory spec redline and I also never said it would be w/o repercussions
Second: My engine specs allow increased rpms beyond factory spec as stated previously
Third: I wasn't refering to an NSX or an S2000, I was refering to an RX -7, last time I checked they didn't have valves. Seal float, while an important fact, indeed occurs around 8500 rpm, to which I exceeded by 500 rpm in my post, seems to be a topic of tedium, precision wasn't essential, my posts are usually casual
I dont post here to be a role model for anyone, If I did everything Ive seen on this site I would have 16 RX-7 chassis' in various stages of completion and I would be hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. This forum isn't an ASE certified mechanic shop, nor are we building rockets to go to the moon. The information shared here is opinion oriented with a broad overview of fact, personal preference and individuality, for starters, begin to dictate how fact is interpreted.
Making the assumption that anyone lacks intelligence, or spreads misinformation is not only pompous, it's presumptuous, and rude, not fitting attributes for a moderator on this site, or for a human being for that
matter. I hope in the future this type of nonsense can be avoided
James
03-17-2003, 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 89 Rag' date='Mar 18 2003, 04:00 AM
[quote name='pengaru' date='Mar 17 2003, 12:20 AM'] [quote name='89 Rag' date='Mar 17 2003, 05:57 AM'] [quote name='pengaru' date='Mar 16 2003, 10:53 PM'] [quote name='89 Rag' date='Mar 17 2003, 05:44 AM'] [quote name='pengaru' date='Mar 16 2003, 10:41 PM'] eek, be careful, we still have limitations
apex seal float starts around 8500rpm with the stock 2mm 3 piece seals and stock springs... it's essentially the rotary equivalent to valve float.
apex seal float starts around 8500rpm with the stock 2mm 3 piece seals and stock springs... it's essentially the rotary equivalent to valve float.
apples to apples, stock NSX motor redline is 8,000, stock s2000 redline is 9,000 if I'm not mistaken...
once you start talking about whats possible with high dollar mods (ianettis are > $1k last i checked?) it's no longer a fair comparison, people can build valvetrains that take high revs too. [/quote]
true, although I wasn't looking for an arguement. [/quote]
I'm not looking for an argument either... buf if I see something that is not right and I know it, I have to speak up. Otherwise I feel responsible for the propagation of stupidity/misinformation.
Had I not said anything, how many other readers would tell their friends things like 'hey, no such thing as valve float on a rotary, I can rev to infinity'... which is not the case at all.
nothing personal, this is just how I am... I appreciate it when others correct me when I am mistaken too. [/quote]
Hold the phone there guy, you have overstated some things here,
First: I didn't say they could be wound to infinity, I said 9k, not at all a far strectch from factory spec redline and I also never said it would be w/o repercussions
Second: My engine specs allow increased rpms beyond factory spec as stated previously
Third: I wasn't refering to an NSX or an S2000, I was refering to an RX -7, last time I checked they didn't have valves. Seal float, while an important fact, indeed occurs around 8500 rpm, to which I exceeded by 500 rpm in my post, seems to be a topic of tedium, precision wasn't essential, my posts are usually casual
I dont post here to be a role model for anyone, If I did everything Ive seen on this site I would have 16 RX-7 chassis' in various stages of completion and I would be hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. This forum isn't an ASE certified mechanic shop, nor are we building rockets to go to the moon. The information shared here is opinion oriented with a broad overview of fact, personal preference and individuality, for starters, begin to dictate how fact is interpreted.
Making the assumption that anyone lacks intelligence, or spreads misinformation is not only pompous, it's presumptuous, and rude, not fitting attributes for a moderator on this site, or for a human being for that
matter. I hope in the future this type of nonsense can be avoided
James
I [/quote]
First:
I never accused you of saying rotary engines can be wound to infinity.
second:
ok?
third:
I'm simply providing examples of piston motors that have comparable redlines with no issues of valve float, your point is moot. Thats all I was saying. It is after all in the context of rotary vs. piston since this is regarding the consideration of a piston motor in a rx-7.
I don't care why you post, or what your intentions are...
I never made any agreement to not be rude, not state my opinions or speak my mind when I accepted any moderator status. If you don't like what I have to say you can simply ignore me, after all, it's just my thoughts and opinions. I'm not dictating anything, as you can see, you are argueing. In fact, I havent used any moderator capabilties ever... so how I can be a dictator when I have utilized no more privileges than you or anyone else, is beyond me.
03-17-2003, 11:32 PM
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in fact i've just PM'd phinshup to remove my moderator status because I have absoutely no interest in having that word under my avatar influencing how people interpret what I post.
03-17-2003, 11:32 PM
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I'm not looking for an argument either... buf if I see something that is not right and I know it, I have to speak up. Otherwise I feel responsible for the propagation of stupidity/misinformation.
nothing personal, this is just how I am...
nothing personal, this is just how I am...