i have a 89 gxl, with the omp blocked off.

every time the car cools down and i start it up it somkes really really bad, but after it comes up to operation temp it runs fine no smok.

i thought that i was just premixing too strong and this was the reason why it was smoking, so i went to a low and low %, will its still smoking and im runing no premix.



i dont know if its burning oil because it leaks oil from the pan so i still have to add a qt between oil changes, my only thought is that the motors was overheated and the oil control rings are gone, but im hoping some one has another idea.

well if you have no OMP and youre now running no premix, your motor is probably toasted anyhow now.



kevin.

its only been like 100 miles, the moters can go thousnnds and thousnds of miles with no omp and no premix

lmao... if you say so sir. i mean hell why have an OMP at all...who needs to oil anything in fact. You clearly are more knowledgable of the subject then I. Preach on sir.



kevin.

https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683664.gif you sir, are a certified idiot

im not saying go thousands of miles with no omp im saying 100 miles wont hurt anything, i did it to see if it was smoking because of the premix of somthing else, and it is somthing els.

i posted because im not sure what, if it is the oil control rings than it seems like it would smok all the time and at higher rpms, but it only smokes when its cold and at low rpms.



and i already put premix in the tank again i only went less than half a tank with no lube.

your motor is toasted if its burning oil, does ity matter if we can narrow it to a specific internal component? nope. in all honesty i wouldnt drive 5 miles with no premix.



kevin.

**** I woulndt driver 5 miles with out an OMP or premix. Who the hell are you kidding. I lost a motor to a 100 dollar oil line.

will that still dosent make sence to me, the motor has not been overheated, it just all of a sudden started smoking, will maby i just dont want to face the truth.

your motor is toasted. if it wasnt before it is now because of your no-premix idea. so basically stop looking for other problems cause your motor is roasted.



kevin

well if its burning oil than the no premix is no big deal, because its still geting lube

my 89 gxl did the same thing. though i was not of the great inteligance such as yourself to remove the MOP. i just ran 20w50 oil, put petitt racing premix in the gas tank and shot a 70 shot of N20 , motor never went. corse I DID HAVE THE MOP AND PREMIX IN THE TANK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the problem is on a cold start up the car would smoke some, nothing major, but on a hot day after a heat soak the car would smoke somemore. after the N20 backfire i sold the motor to a race team the ran a 4 hour enduro with it and they finaly broke a water jacket seal wich killed the motor, though they did finish the race , took 3rd that weekend but could not make the race on sunday. anyways if your car is smoking big ****** deal its a rotary its hereditary.





randy

Customer: my motor is smoking on cold starts.

Technician: lets completely drain your oil and see if it still smokes, if yes then we'll move to the coolant. Once we run out of fluids to drain, we'll put some silicone into the engine to make sure all the gaskets are good.

hahahahahaha true dat true dat

Burning oil does not mean that its lubricating the apex seals or any seals for that matter.

i didnt remove the omp i blocked it off, besides if i did remove it the car would bearly run.

i just drove the car over 300miles today and the car is still runing strong.

the OMP system is to pervent rotor housing chiping 100 miles will not "tost" a motor, it will put more were on the rotor housings and apex seal but will not scrap a motor.



we had a customer come in he had gotin riddin of his omp system completly and never ran premix, the car ran for two years like that takeing him to and from work, and that was not what caused the moter to fail, it was overheated and he poped a seal, now the rotor housing were scraped but he put over 25,000 miles on the moter like that.

dumbass the MOP is there for not only lubing the apex seals but also to aid in compression and to lube the seals so they do not stick and to help provent housing damage(ie, housings being scraped up) and to help cool combustion chamber as well. now you can totaly remove the MOP and put a block off plate in its place but you need to run a 250 to 400/1 premix of 2 stoke oil.



now even the most unmechanicly incline people know friction causes heat. what happens when one removes a componet of an engine that aids in lubing and cooling a rotating assembly? MORE HEAT, MORE FRICTION, therefor more problems down the road. now a catistrophic failure may not happen within 100 miles, hell it may not even happen in 5000 miles but it will happen alot sooner then if the MOP was still intact. there is a reason for the MOP system on this engine, Mazda is not stupid by any means , so why **** with what we all know works.



ever stop and think the reason your car is smoking is because of a carbon problem? if the side seals and oil control rings are carbon packed they will not seal untill the heat is enuff to melt the carbon some to seal up the engine, this is exactly the case with my old 89 na motor before the racer blew the water jacket. now with that all said ever try some ATF or sea foam to clean out the motor? logic only leads one to beleive that a rotary will have a carbon issue very easly and logic would also say that maybe the engine needs some tlc before removing anything that helps the engine run and stay together like the ****** MOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and i will say it again SOME SMOKE IS HEREDITARY ON START UP IN A ROTARY ENGINE!!!!!!!!!!!! even a brand new rx8 smokes some.



White smoke on start up = some sort of water, could be coolent or could be dew or just the climate at the time of smoke when starting it



black smoke= carbon burning, or ya put desil in the tank by mistake



blue smoke= now this is the smoke of an oil problem and alot of rotarys have this and if only a little bit not a big problem.







hasnt this topic been beatin to death over and over and over.

Finally! Why didn't someone just say this in the beginning.



Oh, and just because the motor eats a little oil doesn't mean it's toast. It means it soon will be!

yea i know a little smoke is normal on stat up but this is not a little, till the thermostat opens i leave a fog behind my car, i thought about the seals being carbon packed so for about 4000 miles when i filled up along with the pre mix i would but about a 1/3 of a bottle marval mystery oil, but it did not help.



FYI s5 if you use a block off plate for the omp you will go into limpin mode, and need to get it chiped if you want it to run right.

not a proper oil in no way shape or form. 2 STROKE OIL IN THE GAS TANK OR PETTIT RACING PREMIX FOR THE MILIONTH TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!





randy

I cant believe I'm actually going to post this, but I REALLY cant believe this guy is for real:



Kuhnke: I dont mean to jump on the band wagon here or to kick you when you're down; but do me a favor, put a bullet in her and take the car out of her misery. or give her to someone who'll take care of her.



I'm all about drunken, backyard, cheap, fixes but I've never done anything as abusive as what you've done. sounds to me like you refuse to put in the work or money necessary to keep your car up. its time you quit half assin this ****, bit the bullet, and spent some dough on your poor baby. its not to say that I never worried about the smoke comming out of my exhaust (everyone does) but this "it smoked so I drained the oil" has got to be the most rediculous thing I've heard of since the prohibition! I cant believe this actually made sense to you when you were doing it!!! did you sneak out of the gene pool when the life guard wasnt looking!?!



RX-7's smoke, its when they stop that you start to panic.



so... call up atkins rotary (253)-848-7776 and get a "master rebuild kit" part # 16840. trust me: now you need it, good job.



I think its absolutely sick what you've done to your car... sorry.

-hill

ahahhahaahahha

maby no actuly reads posts when they post along with is the key word, drain the oil what the hell are you talking about, all i did was not run premix in the tank for one day 100 miles.



maby you should not post unless you read the all the posts.

maby he misunderstood https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/boink.gif



cmon guy, just say you were wrong and that youre sorry, there is no need for this ongoing flame-o-bash

it wont fix your car unless there is a theory you have that we dont know about

well the car smokes less now that i put some no smoke in the oil, i know that probly the only thing that will fix it is a re build, but i cant do that right now because its my only form of transport right now.

AAAAAAAAAh yes the cemical fix. got to love the **** on the market that claims to be a fix it all in a can. i personaly put all that **** like BARS stop leak , RESTORE and any other cemical fix right up there with the way too cool for school TORNATO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dude just sell the car and buy a Miata!





randy

i got $200 right now https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...R#>/violin.gif

all that **** does is change the viscosty of the oil when cold with out me have to run stright 30w or 40w

hmmmmmmmmmm i run 20w50 or straight 50w in my fc, and in the race cars we all run 20w50, Valvoline VR-1 oil only. there is nothing wrong with running heavy oil, infact its a good thing. now stop making exuses and own up to your stupidity!





randy

valvoline vr-1 rocks.



kevin,.

Does anybody know how much oil is injected under 3k rpm?

Not much at all.

the oil is injected very little at idle, little to none that is. but on start up and under load the oil is increased . mechanical pumps however inject oil via throttle position and vacum.

the problem i have had with stright 50w is you get no oil pressure when the car is cold, and i have been runing 20w50w

um you get no oil presure when its cold?????????????????? what the **** god damn i get 100psi on my car with that **** and on the race car it pegs the gauge............................ dude you got problems sell that ****** car to someone who knows what they are doin and buy a miata.

Does this forum have like a Hall of Fame for threads? If not, we should make one just for this topic.

this is got to be the funniest comment on this thread, whats even funnier is its true!!!!!!!!!!!

Correct me if I am wrong.. but no oil on the apex seals = bad thing - correct?



Im no guru but it just makes sense to me https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/dunno.gif



As far as a fix-in-a-can..

I cant even count how many ppl I see buying this kind of stuff hwen I goto the parts store.

Lifter pecking? Use 1 can

Pistons rings cracked/broke? No problem use 2 cans!

Lifter pecking? Use 3 cans!

Smoking like a freight train? Use 4 cans!

Rod knocking? Drain oil and fill with a case!

Flat tire? Pour SeaFoam in your gastank, it'll pump that tire right up!

Wow, we got a whole thread full of idiots here.



Anybody else hopping on this bandwagon?