Ive been asking myself this question for a while. It would basicly require just about the same parts for each of the swaps from na form. The 20b would be harder but more enjoyable right? Anyway since the engine in my vert has over 130,000 i was just thinking ahead to when it finally blows and what to do then. A 20b vert would kick ass though :yum:

Talk to mike about 20b swaps.See if he recommends it.That alot of $$$ to spend!

You could probably obtain a 13b-rew for cheaper than a 20b https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png and alot of people are going very very fast on 13b-rew's. Parts for a 13b-rew will be easier to find in the now and future too, considering they have actually been sold here in a recent production vehicle.

13bt would be easiest and yield plenty of power.

yah the swaps work out like this

1. 13bt super easy bolt in, cheapest too

2. 13b rew, either the fd or the cosmo motors, they require motor mounts, and minor fabrication, you could limp along on the stock ecu too, more money than 13bt, more power potential (slightly), they fit under the stock hood and look cool.

3. 20b, expensive, has the most power potential, also requires the most work/ custom fabrication. the 20b also has lots more torque than any 13b, even in stock trim



mike

arent there some places that make a replacement subframe to run the 13b-rew in an fc?

if i didn't have my FD my TII would have a 20B in it but i quickly realized its costs ALOT of money!!!

when vosko says something costs alot you know you don't want to touch it.

lmao

its a good thing i bought the t2 off you vosko or you would be in well uh........ even more debt i guess

depending on how crazy you go with the 20b its not crazy money



mike

yeah, thats the reason why i was thinking of doing this.

well i figured about $10k... without rebuilding the engine or putting a single turbo on it...... stock fuel system etc !!!!!

depending on how cheap you get the motor thats about right



mike

No, but it's easy to do it.

You would have to save ALOT more then that $50 you had sitting with nothing to buy with it, lol

hahhah i remember that!

He would need close to $20,000 because I think he will have to have it done for him by a shop, maybe closer to $25,000

ok then the 20b is $10,000in parts and 300hours of labor

yeah we figured that one out.....

You dont think if someone were to drop a car off at a shop, ask for a 20b, transmission, rear end, all thats involved in putting a 20b in a vert along with the drivetrain, then getting a stand-alone and trying to get it tuned would run then at least $20,000? If they ever got it to run at all, lol

i could do the work my self im not a dumbass. I figured rob would say something about the $50. Dont worry i got plenty more than $50 that was after paying some bills buying new clothes....ect.

im hurt, what are you trying to say?

Just Run a 13b-RE and boost her up for the price of the 20B swap.There are mount kits for it to drop on a FC and then you run a turbo II tranny.It's not that bad of a swap.Just want a good fuel system on high boost or you'll pull a Vosko. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png At least his FD rocks! :bigok:

@ Seppuku



The engine will probally be more than what you owe on the car..

5-6k JUST on the engine...



Not to mention all of the other aftermarket goodies you will need to buy ..

How does a $1200. ECU sounds..well throw that on your wish list..

You will need a TII tranny...



I dont think you will be able to do a 20B swap...even the more experienced guys knows its a bitch ..

If you know what you was doing you you could rebuild your "blow engine"



Your milage dont mean anything..I seen apex seals go bad at 60-70k I have heard people like j9fd3s

Has over 200k on his first gens..stock..

Putting a 20 B will be a waste in a vert..remeber how heavy it is..

I remember when I first got my vert 7 years ago, I asked Kevin from Rotormotive how much time he estimated it would take to put "a twin turbo engine from a FD in the car", his response was "at least 100 hours of labor and more in research and tracking down parts, you will have to run the car with single turbo to make it easier, the ECU has to be addressed, alot of issues involved", well that stopped me from taking the project on to say the least, lol.

well $10,000 in parts and 300 hours of labor @$50 an hour comes out to a cool $25,000...



mike

Soem shops might see all the standalone ECU wiring and tuning along the lines of the electrical hourly rate, which can be around $90 an hour.

Go to www.fc3s-pro.com

Ted has a full write-up on a 20b swap... Parts, cost, etc...

100 hours is bullshit. It's so easy to do if you know what you're doing. That was a while back when people didn't even do turbo conversions on convertibles. I have seen so many 2nd gens with FD motors, and none of them were too hard.

Ok, when I say easy I mean somebody who has alot of experience with the cars, not somebody who just figured out that their car is rear wheel drive. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

100 hours isnt THAT much if you think about it.

And that was his estimate for how long he thought it would take ME to do it, he knows I was and still kind of only knew piston engines.

You could also look at 100 hours as 1 guy working on a car for 2.5 weeks at 8 work hours a day, not too bad actually.

Maybe I am too used to boats, one job I did was a 900 hour job.

100 hours isnt much to me.

Ok, I thought 100 hours for him. The basics of the job would be the drivetrain and the motor. Maybe 100 hours wouldn't be unreasonable if you included "everything." I suppose that it would take about a full day with a lift to do the transmission and rear, and 1 day to make the mount, 1 day to do the ECU, and maybe a few days to get it all together. I would say it's a 50 hour job. When my friend put the FD motor in his TII it only took maybe 10 hours total to take out the old motor, make a cradle, and mount the new motor, as well as wire up the Haltech.

Yeah, 100 hours seems like alot to me. I guess I'm too used to jobs that are just a few hours long.

That's what i want man a 20B FC!! All motor no turbo or Nos. What do you guys think it can do in the 1/4. I know it's way too much $$$ to get the work done. I'll just street port my 13B FC once the engine goes out and tune it up. What's the fastest all motor rotary engine out there that's well known?

Ok, I thought 100 hours for him. The basics of the job would be the drivetrain and the motor. Maybe 100 hours wouldn't be unreasonable if you included "everything." I suppose that it would take about a full day with a lift to do the transmission and rear, and 1 day to make the mount, 1 day to do the ECU, and maybe a few days to get it all together. I would say it's a 50 hour job. When my friend put the FD motor in his TII it only took maybe 10 hours total to take out the old motor, make a cradle, and mount the new motor, as well as wire up the Haltech.[/quote]

Now if you add in tuning the Haltech and the time it took to track down all the parts and what not, keeping in mind the internet was NOT what it is today so alot of the parts tracking down was done thru catalog and phones.

Ok, I thought 100 hours for him. The basics of the job would be the drivetrain and the motor. Maybe 100 hours wouldn't be unreasonable if you included "everything." I suppose that it would take about a full day with a lift to do the transmission and rear, and 1 day to make the mount, 1 day to do the ECU, and maybe a few days to get it all together. I would say it's a 50 hour job. When my friend put the FD motor in his TII it only took maybe 10 hours total to take out the old motor, make a cradle, and mount the new motor, as well as wire up the Haltech.[/quote]

Now if you add in tuning the Haltech and the time it took to track down all the parts and what not, keeping in mind the internet was NOT what it is today so alot of the parts tracking down was done thru catalog and phones.[/quote]

You can get a standalone tuned on a dyno for about $500 if you look around.

Ok, I thought 100 hours for him. The basics of the job would be the drivetrain and the motor. Maybe 100 hours wouldn't be unreasonable if you included "everything." I suppose that it would take about a full day with a lift to do the transmission and rear, and 1 day to make the mount, 1 day to do the ECU, and maybe a few days to get it all together. I would say it's a 50 hour job. When my friend put the FD motor in his TII it only took maybe 10 hours total to take out the old motor, make a cradle, and mount the new motor, as well as wire up the Haltech.[/quote]

Now if you add in tuning the Haltech and the time it took to track down all the parts and what not, keeping in mind the internet was NOT what it is today so alot of the parts tracking down was done thru catalog and phones.[/quote]

You can get a standalone tuned on a dyno for about $500 if you look around.[/quote]

500 holy ****. damn more loot i need https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...>/blackeye.gif

thats how i come up with the 300hours, its 6 months of weekends. it would be faster a second time, but theres a lot of little things the need to be done that take a lot of time (cutting the hood, making brackets for the radiator, locating the coils, etc etc)



mike

thats how i come up with the 300hours, its 6 months of weekends. it would be faster a second time, but theres a lot of little things the need to be done that take a lot of time (cutting the hood, making brackets for the radiator, locating the coils, etc etc)



mike[/quote]

yea i know first time i did my clutch it took me a week. now i can do the whole thing by myslef w/o jacks on the tranny in 3 hours. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png