ok guys couple problems, one, something is binding up on my driveline when my car is sitting on the ground. if i try to start it i here a clicking sound from the starter like it isn't reaching the flywheel or something. two, my car won't start, everything seems to be working fine with the haltech, just installed a walbro fuel pump. it'll turn over when she is on jackstands and it'll fire if i spray a bit of starting fluid but she just comes down in revs and dies at around 1k rpm. i got nuthin fellas, any ideas much appreciated.



Loi

Check your postitives and negatives for your starter problem first.I have that same problem but I think my + wire is shot.I plan to replace it tommorow.Check your timing too while you at it to make sure shes good.

the timing is spot on, i've zeroed it and everytime i check it its always zeroed. i'll check the starter wires as well but if the wires were switched or bad wouldn't the starter not work at all instead of just when the car was on the ground?

it might be the starter too.



if it starts when you spray fluid in there goto the primer map, hit home and raise it a little, the primer map is like how much you pump the gas before you start the car if it was carbed

ok, i'll give it a shot.



Loi

Lacan

Did you use the original holes in a 12a front engine mount to mount your 13b motor to the motor mounts? If you did, there is your binding problem when you let the car off the jack stands.

just a thought.

chuck

Why would that bind?Thats how you mount a 13BT in a FB.UNLESS he did like I did and forgot to put a O-ring inside before he put the front cover on. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif

i have a GSL-SE, i used the original front cover and used all the stock mounts and bolts.







what o-ring are you talking about?



Loi

Iotus pointed it out to me one night one MSN.Theres a O-ring passage on the drivers side of the engine that needs a O-ring installed there or else you won't get any oil pressure in your motor.I need to take my front cover off and install it still. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif

o, i put an o-ring in there. i'm getting oil through my motor cuz i took off my oil filter like you guys suggested and oil came gushing out so i don't think thats a problem.



i just checked to see if the driveshaft would spin freely by hand when the car is on jackstands and it does, both forwards and reverse. i looked at the starter wires, the line coming from the battery is connected to the left stud and the other stud has a wire going into the starter. is this correct?



Loi

o yeah, i tried the primer map thingy. i raised it 2 clicks, it still didn't start. should i raise it more?



Loi

Did not know he had a gsl-se, Sorry guys. 12a cars, the mounting bracket has to be redrilled.

chuck

As long as its primed it will raise itself when it starts.Wierd that you have a bind tho. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png

Or you get the SE crossmember and use a 12a motor mount bracket like I did on my 83.I lucked out on my 84.It came with the SE brakes and suspension https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif

i don't know if it's a bind at this point or maybe the starter isn't catching the flywheel all the way or something. when i try to crank it there's a clicking sound, kinda like the starter is spinning a little but not turning the flywheel. like the teeth are touching but not catching, i dunno. i'm gonna take the starter off tommorow and check it for any funny signs of wear.



Loi

i'm using my stock se ignition as well, if there's anything that needs to be done to that in order for the car to start please lemme know. other than that i'm quite clueless as to why my engine is not starting, guess this was bound to happen with a $250 project car LOL.



Loi

yeah, if it floods you go too far

how do i know if it floods?



Loi

the plugs will be wet

ok, easy enuff LOL



Loi

ok guys, finally figured out why the car won't start. the fuel pressure regulator is seized up and doesn't flow anything. other than that no update, still don't know why the car won't turn over on the ground.



Loi

Thats wierd how its acting.It baffles me to think about it.

don't think about it too hard, you'll be up all night worrying like me!!!!



Loi

I do about mine as it is.Between work and the car its hard to do both right now. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif I need a break from work soon.

https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif Thats funny.

The best bit is laughing at all the troubles after you've got it running.

Whats that quote?? 'Todays crisis is tomorrows joke" or something?

ok, installed the new fpr, still not starting. just so i make sure the lines are right which rail does the line coming from the fuel pump go to?



Loi

primary

ok, i'm officially out of ideas as to why my car will not start. the only thing i can think of that could possibly be wrong would be the injectors. but i'm pretty sure they're spraying fuel, anyone got 2 low impedence 550cc injectors they wanna sell me?



Loi

Common failing with these things is the wiring to the starter. I had to install a relay to dump power directly from the battery to the starter.



Could be that changing the angle of the car makes the connection come good?



Symptoms are that the starter spins, but won't throw out enough to engage the teeth.



Just a thought.



Amanda



PS: putting the front up on stands would let gravity assist the starter to throw.

so what would a remedy be? perhaps doing a relay setup? or replacing the wires for the starter? right now i have the wire going to the starter coming off a distribution block, should i change this?



Loi

she runs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! got her started tonight after work!!!!!!!





talked with Brian at rotorsports and he put me on the right direction. has some hesitation when the throttle is pushed too quickly but i think thats something that can be taken care of in the haltech software somewhere right?



but i'm on cloud nine tonight, still more than a few things that need to be worked out but atleast she runs.



Loi



P.S. thanx to everyone on this board who has helped or tried to help me during this project. there's absolutely no way i would have gotten this far without the nopistons family.

So..........



What did it take to make it turn over when not on the stands?????????????



Amanda

yeah.... i haven't solved that one yet.... https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub..._DIR#>/sad.png

So it only starts with it's nose up in the air?



Better not stall it at the lights then. eh? https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

if it cuts out at quick throttle movement you need to tune your throttle pumps...



sounds like the car just needs tuning overall.

yes, it does need tuning. i'm only using the hitman map for a stock 13bt



Loi

So how do you start it, and what did you change to make it work?

seems i had the FPR at the front of the fuel system instead of at the end like it should have been. i don't recall switching them but apparently i did at some point. the stock fpr is just a bypass to bleed off excess pressure back to the gas tank, i'm an idiot, atleast i fixed it though. now to get it to start while all four wheels are on the ground....



i guess i could bring one of those race jacks around with me and just jack it up when i need to start it?



Loi

https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif I could see someone doing that too.

well, ran the car down the road today. it was ok, really needs to be tuned. solved the problem with it starting on the ground. seems commanda was right, a voltage problem. somehow when the car was in the air the engine was grounded, but when the car was on the ground whatever it was that was grounding the engine came off or whatnot. went and bought a grounding strap and the car started right up like a champ, 2 new problems. my oil cooler leaks like its paid to do so, and my radiator cap on the 2nd gen water pump leaks as well.



besides that the car runs, i'm very pleased.



ok, anyone know where i can find a GSL-SE oil-cooler for like $10? and a 2nd gen radiator cap... https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png



Loi