I know that this is my second post but when it comes down to it I am getting really tired of the BS that is going on with the other forum. So I thought I'd give you folks a try.



I posted a write-up for a ebay ssautochome IC into a GSL-SE. I hope it helps some people.



So....Here is my project.



Please keep in mind that these are not the most current. For some reason I can no longer load my pictures from my camera. I will solve this and post some new ones though.



I am pretty confident that I will get about 400rwhp with about 15psi. 450 at higher psi with water/methanol.



Enjoy!

very nice i havent seen a rx that color in a while i love it https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/boink.gif

that's not really a rare color for the se.



anyhow welcome aboard and don't forget to add your pics to the garage.



https://www.nopistons.com/forums/index.php?act=garage

Well thanks guys. It is actually funny that you mention that they are not that rare. The only Brown first gens I see are GSL-SE's. Funny how that works. The most expensive model is the color of our poo. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png



Well I have come to love my brown car. Makes for a perfect sleeper. I used to own a 95 z28 vert. I would always get little ricers trying to race me. Don't get me wrong I like the spirited jaunt every once and a while but you have to keep it safe.



Thanks for the heads up about the pictures. I will head over there and post them.



Z

Yea i think sidewinders old se was that color, but i cant remember, I know of one that used to be out in lake stevens/everett as well, i used to see him all the time. My se was black with red pinstripes, my gsl was gold with a black stripe on the hood, which i havent seen before or since.

yeah. my wifes 83gs was, i repeat, WAS that color. ha ha ha

been on the search for a gslse forever..

one of the things ive always found so common on the first gens are the maroon interior...

Hi Zzzzzz

Hey I decided that I may be joining you and switching my blue over to Turbo instead of having her Supercharged. I want to try to do this before ABF or I guess one more ABF with the blower wouldnt be too bad. Not that I want to copy you or anything but could you send me a list of what stuff you had to buy to make your change over. I have no idea about Turbos. I think the person that wants to help me with the changeover said something about a T-66. Do you think thats an ok turbo for my blue car? Im going to start reading up on turbo stuff here shortly. Never can have enough knowledge.



Your setup looks awesome. I guess we wont be shrink wrapping your car this year huh...lol time to find another victim.

Beautiful car mang https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png What turbo is that?

Yes to bad...brown is the ****...literally







Yeah no prob. I can help you out as much as you need. I have been looking into turbos for about 6 months now. I came from the same world as you...well kind of (na v8). I had no experience and just read and read and read.

When I get back tonight Ill send you a PM with all my mods and wny I ran them. Any problems that I forsee etc.

As far as a t-66 that is one big puppy. I think that it is about equivalent to mine but I have never seen one in person. All I know is that my turbo is about as big as my head..lol I think that someone is running a t-66 on a FI 12a and is hoping for 400rwhp. When it comes fdown to it there are a bunch of factors that play into getting a turbo.







Thanks, The turbo is a af61. There are a couple dyno sheets that have been posted over at rx7club that say approx 420 at 15psi. The only problem that I can see with this turbo is that at 18psi they say that it is at 82% efficiency. Meaning that you will probably max it out at 21 or so and anything after that you will just be creating heat.

However since my car is strictly stree use I wanted something that would spool somewhat quick and still have the potential to get high hp numbers. This was the turbo for me. I think that it reaches full boost(15psi) around 3700-3800RPM. What do the stock TT do? I think that is is right around there.

Grey interior > * https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png



Nice car btw, hopefully my car will be rolling after tax refund day!

lol, ive had so many i like it.

Very nice job. And the brown is not that bad.

I did not put up a very good picture but the IC is so large that it blocks the entire front of the rad. People have had success with this setup before but I am what they call a little ****.



I have decided to go v-mount. I will post pictures when I get it done. It is going to be a tight fit but everything should fit in there.



Z

I was very eager to do this with my setup, but with the NPR (large) intercooler I got, I couldn't engineer an effective way to place my GSL-SE oil cooler and stock aluminum rad in a config so they would all have equal access to cool air...

I am glad that you said this. I will take a couple seconds to comment on my setup. I actually ran into the same problem as you. The radiator will set between the lower part of the plastic piece and the tube support. The IC will be opposing it as well.



Now for the IC...this is where the real problems come in. I plan on running the oil cooler right smack dab in the middle of the two other components. The reason that I decided to go this way is because primarily I wanted to make sure that there was enough air flow between the two. The oild cooler is relitivley small in size. I do not have it here with me but IIRC it can't be more than 3" tall. The opening for the v-mount spans the entire mouth of the front end. probably near 20". There should be more than enough air flow for the car to stay cool. I also plan on having a set of fans on the rad so that will help as well.



But here is a question. Should I but the fans on top or bottom of the rad. I would feel more comfortable with them on top because then they will not be hanging. Takes a lot more force for me to lose a fan. I have seen both setups. All were on 3rd gens though. Not too many people put a v-mount on the 1st gen.



Z

It's cause vmounts are lame and you need room for them, which we don't really have. And Hahha haha your car is brown!!! j/k

Yes, I agree there is not too much room up front. And this is the major obstacle to overcome.



Also yes my car is brown, wanna race when I am done and fully tuned running 15lbs? Oh heck I will run 12 for you and your webber https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png



It should be fun whooping on vipers and c6 Z06's. I will have to see if I can get some vids. Sad thing is that I am not much of a racer and there are really not too many of those cars here in Olympia.

Hey I'll be down to run you when I'm done too! Me and weber is just the begining. Ihavent been all open with my plans.

Hey your car looks good I like the way it is turning out,cant wait to see it done!

Thanks, I am hoping to finish the intercooler side of the H-hount this weekend.



Z

Ok folks,



Here is a few updated photos of the h-mount system. I was initially going to run v-mount but due to size of the IC was not able to. When you see, you will understand.



Enjoy,

Z

As long as you keep some space between your IC and Radiatior, a front mount system works more than fine. An FB has plenty of space in the nose.



A V-Mount only works well if you have good ducting and a vented hood. Both of which are not

needed in the 1st Gen.



My Intercooler is larger than yours, and I have the stock radiator, stock oil cooler, and even the A/C Condenser all in their stock place.



Everything works, nice and cool. Even in South florida weather.

Yeah, you along with another forum member are running this large of an IC up front. This method probably would have proven to be more than effective enough however with my intercooler sitting in this position I can ensure that there is proper air flow. I plan on venting the hood. As far as the ducting goes the rad will sit pretty much at the cross bar. Should provide for more than enough air flow.



The thing that really got me with this setup though is the Ic piping. I think that I will have a total of around 3-3.5' of piping. The Turbo side is less than a foot. We all know that less pipe mean less lag.



What size is the NPR? Are you still planning on going v-mount Directfreak?



I took the dimensions today for the Radiator. The largest that I want to go is 14"x20". I plan on getting a custom 3 row made.



Z

I'm running the large intercooler, but I was going to try (what now is probably not smart in the eyes of another) this:



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And use some sort of cowl inside my bumper to direct airflow to the oil cooler and subsequently the intercooler.



Here is what the large NPR looks like from the top, the way I have it setup. It's definitely way too big to configure in a vmount orientation.



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Hey nice pictures you have there. The Isuzu NPR looks to be a little larger than mine(both in length and height).



I am glad that I could mount mine in a h-mount, that way I can justify spending 400+ on a custom radiator... https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png



Just one comment on your setup though. I personally would not run the Oil cooler that way. It is going to be hard to create ducting that will flow both vertically as well as horizontally. Not that it can't be done. I contemplated the oil cooler location when I first had the FMIC. Take this for what you want but I would reccomend placing the Oil cooler in front of the support bar. This bar allows for something to tie into and on top of that it is alread blocking the IC. This will take a little bit of flow away from the IC but not anything that you should notice. Not to mention the OC already partially blocks the IC with your setup.



At least fab up a couple brackets that will drop the OC right in front of the support bar.



Z

I agree with Z. Air won't flow through your oil cooler if it can just go around it. Also, replacing the stock sheetmetal with those support bars (bottom pic) will allow air to travel around your intercooler and radiator. You want all your available air to go through your heat exchangers. Build some sheetmetal braces that keep air from leaking by. Last, you really don't want your intercooler in front of your radiator unless you plan on spending some cash on a healthy radiator and maybe even a second oil cooler.



Think about it. How many third gens cooked their engines because of insufficient cooling?

I didn't go with the setup picture in my previous post, but opted for the much more common oil cooler in front of the intercooler setup...



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Good to see. I think that you could make the oil cooler setup work but why when it is better the way that you did it?



Well, anyway, I read through your entire project thread and I have been meaning to comment on it. Looking good.

It's taken me such a long time. I can't imagine how one could do a project like this with a full-time job. I'm lucky that I'm a student and alternate semesters: one working full time, followed by one going to school.



At any rate, the assumption now is that my oil seals are blown because of the oil I have flowing out of my exhaust ports. I'm trying to contact a local engine builder to see if I can get this done at a relatively cheap rate.



Thanks for checking it out though!

Oh yeah, she might have taken a little time to read through. But it was all interesting. And I must say a great thred for someone wanting to do this work.



I am a full time student and I work 25-30hrs a week. Now that gets tricky. Thankfully I am a 4th year ME though so I should be out soon enough. When it comes down to it though this swap takes a considerable amount of money and time.



How much is into your swap? I am curious how I did in comparrison to others.

I really am scared to look at the numbers on the project...I can give a rough estimate though:

car: $1400 (78K original miles, GS)

Cosmo motor and S4 TII trans: $2200

T04R turbo from Cheapturbo: $1056 (v-band welding)

Intercooler: $180

Fuel pump: $115

6 puck sprung hub custom clutch: $180

ACT Streetlite Flywheel: $220

AN fittings for everything: $200 (this might even be underestimating)

Powder coating, pulleys: $200 (for UIM/LIM)

TII brakes: $58

Brake rebuild kit: $35

Optima Red Top batt: $130



So about $6K so far :(.



That's all I can think of off the top of my head, but now I need new oil seals and I'm probably going to get the exhaust sleeves replaced.



Bye-bye tax return!

Damn!!! That is good!!! I thought that I was doing good.



Here is my list.



93 low mileage j-spec front clip 2800

Af61 with Oil feel and v-band 900

WG, Elbow, Manifold, BOV 700

Fuel System 700

IC 160

Flywheel and clutch (act 6-puck) 200

couplers BOV flange & t-bolts 100

Microtech with all the extras 1300

Jegs purchase: FP blah blah 500

mounting brackets all other small little things 200

air filter 30

modified driveline 100

gaskets, thermal pellet 75

Water methanol injection Boost controller 140

T2 starter 130

Radiator ( custom 3-row) probably 400

Aluminum welding and supplies 200

tuning 400

Battery 100



There are some other small things not to mention all the little things that I did not include. Also there were tools that I had to buy that added up to a pretty penny. There are also a lot of things that I did myself. The only 2 things that I did not plan on doing are the tuning and the endplay adjustment for the engine.



This is without any of the driveline modification planned such as 8.8 rear, rims tires springs , shocks etc.



All this and it is still brown...gotta love it



I hope that this puts the perspective on the magnitude of this project to all those newbs that want to have a 3rd gen engine in their car. It is not quick and costs quite a bit. Also all the values above are less than what I actually payed. For math sake I rounded down. I expect this ENGINE build to be around 10k.



As far as tax return go, I have the pay :(

I am not sure on the size, but it does take up the entire nose, and even goes up into the header panel between the tailights.



V-Mount? Probably not. When I double up on the Intercooler, it's going to be pretty damn thick.

Besides, a V Mount is great if you are moving all the time. Once you are in traffic, it will heatsoak very much like a standard TMIC. I have my IC mounted outside the engine compartment, so it does NOT get any radiant heat from the engine.

One important thing I forgot...the Haltech ;-).



So add about 1250 to my total, so $7300?



I'm about to build my engine as well. I thought this project would be easy and cheap, but that's not the case unless you just want a drop-in motor with a limited lifespan.



If I'm going to do this, I'm going all out, you know?

Hell yes, Go big or go home!



I think that if I had to do it over again though I would go with a LT1 turbo or super. Build might have been a lot more but reliable would have been a lot more dependable

Then you would have to get a mullet!!! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif Just joking.



If you did the lt1 swap, it would probably get boring really quickly. If you spend the money right the first time, and get a professionally built "race" motor, it should be fine.



And yes, Directfreak, setzep, and Dys'85's Turbo FB's are very sexy. And I have been following Dys' for about 2 years now. I really like Directfreak's setup. I want to do just about the same setup as DF's, except use a S5 TII motor.

Wow, that avatar is freaky! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png



Well I think that I would have to cut my hair into a mullet so that I would fit the role!



v8's were my past life but I have to admit that the rotary is way more fun to drive. Powerband and handling. Yes, the engine that is installed at the current bay is just for tuning purposes. When it blows I will have another built up. Probably small street port with some other goodies.



S5 TII wouold have been a lot cheaper.



Oh, here are some pics of the progress. I got the IC pipe from the turbo to the inlet mocked up.



Z

The avatar is from The Thing. Really cool 80's sci-fi movie. Awesome movie, it's a classic.



S5 TII is much cheaper, or even a 12a Turbo motor from the Jspec FB's.



V8's are nice if you want a shitload of torque at your foot. But you can always downshift in a rotary or 4 banger and have power. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif

Ok, folks I have been really busy lately. But I have found some time to get a couple more things done.



I went down to a shop here in Wa called HP Connection. I met with the owner and picked up some 3" mandrel aluminum. He was really cool and showed me some of the cars he had. He specializes in turbo'd v8's. He has a nova that is putting out over 1200 to the wheels. Jus thought that some of you might be interested.



Well here are some shots.



picture 1-3: TB to outlet pipe.



picture 4-6: Started to make the mods to my hood. Can you say...cut very carefully?



Please tak into mind that the engine bay is not fully polished yet. I will re-polish when the IC pipe gets welded.



Z



Note: pictures came out not in order. I think that they are explanatory enough though.