Great Way To Lower Engine Temps
06-22-2005, 05:31 PM
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[quote name='Shane.Trammell' date='Jun 22 2005, 02:43 PM']youre talking about the negative effects being hot water recirculating making it hotter and the radiator not working as effectively, but like i said the car is running just over the second line on the cool side of the temp gauge, which is pretty low.
would the things you said cause other problems than just making it hotter than it could be?
also, i dont mind the hot water getting in there warming it up more quickly, if it didnt it would be warming up even more slowly.
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It's about making your system work efficiently. You want the heat dissipated through the radiator that's it's purpose and you are simply reintroducing hot coolant back into your system. An engine that runs "too" cool is not as efficient as an engine that is in the correct temerature range. Besides that this has been known knowledge with many road racers and engine builders. You can even look in a Racing Beat performance manual and it will state these facts to you. I'm just trying to help you out with information.
would the things you said cause other problems than just making it hotter than it could be?
also, i dont mind the hot water getting in there warming it up more quickly, if it didnt it would be warming up even more slowly.
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It's about making your system work efficiently. You want the heat dissipated through the radiator that's it's purpose and you are simply reintroducing hot coolant back into your system. An engine that runs "too" cool is not as efficient as an engine that is in the correct temerature range. Besides that this has been known knowledge with many road racers and engine builders. You can even look in a Racing Beat performance manual and it will state these facts to you. I'm just trying to help you out with information.
06-22-2005, 05:44 PM
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[quote name='1revnrex' date='Jun 22 2005, 04:31 PM']You are an idiot, quit tryin to reinvent the wheel and put a thermostat back in it.
Obviously someone with an engineering background in motors decided that it would be wise if your 13B FI ran at 180 degrees, so much that they programmed the ecu with that temperature in mind. What are you gaining from having your cars temp flop all over the place? Nothing.
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the temp is not flopping all over the place, it sits right where i said it does, which is not any cooler than it is in the winter. also, those same engineers put aws, a thermowax, a rats nest, secondary throttle on our cars too, just to name a few, and how many people have gotten rid of that stuff? if youre saying that there is no better way to run than the way it was designed then you may want to look into another hobby.
[quote name='13BTNOS' date='Jun 22 2005, 04:31 PM']It's about making your system work efficiently. You want the heat dissipated through the radiator that's it's purpose and you are simply reintroducing hot coolant back into your system. An engine that runs "too" cool is not as efficient as an engine that is in the correct temerature range. Besides that this has been known knowledge with many road racers and engine builders. You can even look in a Racing Beat performance manual and it will state these facts to you. I'm just trying to help you out with information.
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thank you for trying to help me out with info, thats what i need. im looking for adverse affects or damage caused by what ive done. like i said the engine is not running any cooler now than it did in the winter, and that is a tx winter at about 20 or 30 degrees outside. im sure guys' in the north have even cooler temps than i do and no ones saying they are gonna have a problem.
ill put a thermometer on there tonight and see exactly how hot its getting.
Obviously someone with an engineering background in motors decided that it would be wise if your 13B FI ran at 180 degrees, so much that they programmed the ecu with that temperature in mind. What are you gaining from having your cars temp flop all over the place? Nothing.
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the temp is not flopping all over the place, it sits right where i said it does, which is not any cooler than it is in the winter. also, those same engineers put aws, a thermowax, a rats nest, secondary throttle on our cars too, just to name a few, and how many people have gotten rid of that stuff? if youre saying that there is no better way to run than the way it was designed then you may want to look into another hobby.
[quote name='13BTNOS' date='Jun 22 2005, 04:31 PM']It's about making your system work efficiently. You want the heat dissipated through the radiator that's it's purpose and you are simply reintroducing hot coolant back into your system. An engine that runs "too" cool is not as efficient as an engine that is in the correct temerature range. Besides that this has been known knowledge with many road racers and engine builders. You can even look in a Racing Beat performance manual and it will state these facts to you. I'm just trying to help you out with information.
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thank you for trying to help me out with info, thats what i need. im looking for adverse affects or damage caused by what ive done. like i said the engine is not running any cooler now than it did in the winter, and that is a tx winter at about 20 or 30 degrees outside. im sure guys' in the north have even cooler temps than i do and no ones saying they are gonna have a problem.
ill put a thermometer on there tonight and see exactly how hot its getting.
06-22-2005, 05:53 PM
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Hey guess what, lemme let ya in on a secret. Those engineers that built the motor for your car, guess what... they also helped build the race motors for Mazda at the time. You wanna know something else, they also didnt have to put those cars thru strict emission testing in order to get them into the US. You think Mazda wanted to throw the rats nest on the 7's? I think not. As far as me lookin into another hobby, not likely. I make too much money on the side fixing ****-ups that people like you run into after they "modify" there cars.
You wanna make your car run good? Do this, yank that piece of **** 300 thousand mile out and rebuild it. Or you could just keep throwing parts at it like your doing now and go broke. The choice is yours.
You wanna make your car run good? Do this, yank that piece of **** 300 thousand mile out and rebuild it. Or you could just keep throwing parts at it like your doing now and go broke. The choice is yours.
06-22-2005, 05:53 PM
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Shane let me break it down Barney style for you as I probably didn't explain clearly. If you think of the system when the thermostat is closed the 1/2in hole is open and allows for hot coolant to recirculate into the engine to speed up warm up. Now when the thermostat opens it closes that hole and forces all the hot coolant out the engine and go to your radiator to be cooled off. Now if that hole is left open the whole time you have to remember that the pressure from the water pump is going to force "cool" coolant through that hole and give you a false reading of temperature. Think of where your temperature sensor is at right below the thermostat and right above that 1/2 hole. So you are getting a cool reading at the sensor but the actual temperature in your engine will be higher. Hope that makes sense to you. Put the thermostat back in if your temperatures are still high your problems are else where.
06-22-2005, 05:57 PM
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[quote name='1revnrex' date='Jun 22 2005, 04:53 PM']
You wanna make your car run good? Do this, yank that piece of **** 300 thousand mile out and rebuild it. Or you could just keep throwing parts at it like your doing now and go broke. The choice is yours.
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if you didnt notice, i am not "throwing parts at it" i am getting rid of them. and i dont think ill go broke by not spending any money
You wanna make your car run good? Do this, yank that piece of **** 300 thousand mile out and rebuild it. Or you could just keep throwing parts at it like your doing now and go broke. The choice is yours.
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if you didnt notice, i am not "throwing parts at it" i am getting rid of them. and i dont think ill go broke by not spending any money
06-22-2005, 05:59 PM
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[quote name='13BTNOS' date='Jun 22 2005, 04:53 PM']Shane let me break it down Barney style for you as I probably didn't explain clearly. If you think of the system when the thermostat is closed the 1/2in hole is open and allows for hot coolant to recirculate into the engine to speed up warm up. Now when the thermostat opens it closes that hole and forces all the hot coolant out the engine and go to your radiator to be cooled off. Now if that hole is left open the whole time you have to remember that the pressure from the water pump is going to force "cool" coolant through that hole and give you a false reading of temperature. Think of where your temperature sensor is at right below the thermostat and right above that 1/2 hole. So you are getting a cool reading at the sensor but the actual temperature in your engine will be higher. Hope that makes sense to you. Put the thermostat back in if your temperatures are still high your problems are else where.
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ahhhhh, false readings.
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ahhhhh, false readings.
06-22-2005, 06:05 PM
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[quote name='Shane.Trammell' date='Jun 22 2005, 06:57 PM']if you didnt notice, i am not "throwing parts at it" i am getting rid of them. and i dont think ill go broke by not spending any money
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Whatever man, I dont really give a **** what you do with your car. Lemme know what junkyard it ends up in just in case Im ever in Texas.
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Whatever man, I dont really give a **** what you do with your car. Lemme know what junkyard it ends up in just in case Im ever in Texas.
06-22-2005, 06:11 PM
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[quote name='1revnrex' date='Jun 22 2005, 03:53 PM']Hey guess what, lemme let ya in on a secret. Those engineers that built the motor for your car, guess what... they also helped build the race motors for Mazda at the time. You wanna know something else, they also didnt have to put those cars thru strict emission testing in order to get them into the US. You think Mazda wanted to throw the rats nest on the 7's? I think not. As far as me lookin into another hobby, not likely. I make too much money on the side fixing ****-ups that people like you run into after they "modify" there cars.
You wanna make your car run good? Do this, yank that piece of **** 300 thousand mile out and rebuild it. Or you could just keep throwing parts at it like your doing now and go broke. The choice is yours.
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Bro you sound really angry. Take a deep breath. This forum is to help educate those that don't know any better and are trying to learn. Sometimes you have to get really detailed for those that are not as knowledgeable as yourself. And from the looks of it you know more than most. Just do it like I told you answers don't help anyone out.
You wanna make your car run good? Do this, yank that piece of **** 300 thousand mile out and rebuild it. Or you could just keep throwing parts at it like your doing now and go broke. The choice is yours.
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Bro you sound really angry. Take a deep breath. This forum is to help educate those that don't know any better and are trying to learn. Sometimes you have to get really detailed for those that are not as knowledgeable as yourself. And from the looks of it you know more than most. Just do it like I told you answers don't help anyone out.
06-22-2005, 06:22 PM
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[quote name='13BTNOS' date='Jun 22 2005, 07:11 PM']Bro you sound really angry. Take a deep breath. This forum is to help educate those that don't know any better and are trying to learn. Sometimes you have to get really detailed for those that are not as knowledgeable as yourself. And from the looks of it you know more than most. Just do it like I told you answers don't help anyone out.
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I appreciate your comment on the situation and will take it into consideration on my next post.
Having said that if you do a search for threads by him you will see its the same damn thing everytime, him tryin to reinvent the wheel or asking a question that has been asked 6500 times before.
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I appreciate your comment on the situation and will take it into consideration on my next post.
Having said that if you do a search for threads by him you will see its the same damn thing everytime, him tryin to reinvent the wheel or asking a question that has been asked 6500 times before.
