Aspec Tuning=very Bad
07-17-2003, 02:51 PM
#11
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 21
the great thing is that you never once brought your car back or told us how you felt.
you stated you paid $5900 for a rebuild and lots of other parts to make your car go faster... well what parts did you buy from us besides your motor..you got 2 new housings, large street ported motor, aftermarket apex seals, heavy duty water seals, hardened stationary gears, treated rings, etc....do you even know how much your Hurley seals cost themselves? your got removal and reinstallation plus tax.. lets not even include all the parts that were missing..i wonder if you could price out the same thing at another shop and see what you would of end up paying..we actually did our best to keep cost down for you and how you wanted it the car back as is, no injs, fuel pressure regulator, no ecu,no alternator, etc...
after all of this then you go out and burn us. well thanks!
A-spec
you stated you paid $5900 for a rebuild and lots of other parts to make your car go faster... well what parts did you buy from us besides your motor..you got 2 new housings, large street ported motor, aftermarket apex seals, heavy duty water seals, hardened stationary gears, treated rings, etc....do you even know how much your Hurley seals cost themselves? your got removal and reinstallation plus tax.. lets not even include all the parts that were missing..i wonder if you could price out the same thing at another shop and see what you would of end up paying..we actually did our best to keep cost down for you and how you wanted it the car back as is, no injs, fuel pressure regulator, no ecu,no alternator, etc...
after all of this then you go out and burn us. well thanks!
A-spec
07-17-2003, 03:42 PM
#14
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guys i responded to this thread here: https://www.nopistons.com/forums/index.php?...showtopic=22176
A-spec
A-spec
07-17-2003, 06:19 PM
#18
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Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Misawa Japan
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You are bitching about 300 dollars.........you should sell you FD. If you have driven it the way they are saying right after a rebuild you can't expect it to run right. Plus not doing the proper mods to go with the port, trying to cut corners will just end up costing you another motor. That shops works on Rx7 everyday, and it sounds like they hooked you up with alot of **** they didn't have too. So next time you blow it up your screwed, because you have made ememies with the local shop. Real smart!
07-19-2003, 03:32 PM
#19
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Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: IL
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I've looked at this car in person, and I was present when papasmurf was removing the oil metering pump lines to see if they were injecting too much oil (the car smoked alot). One bolt was covered with aluminum from being overtorqued at time of installation, the bore was mostly stripped as a result of it, all papasmurf had done was remove it and it didnt take much effort at all (gee, i wonder why), and this bolt had NO crush washers installed with it. When he removed the other bolt for the 2nd line, it had two crush washers installed, both on the same side of the banjo fitting.. obviuosly not something papasmurf did since he didnt put the thing together. Now, aspec can claim he stripped bolts and this and that before dropping the car off to them, but he didnt touch things like the oil metering pump, the motor hadnt been removed and he didnt get to anything like that, he was just working on getting the trans+engine out, he just pulled out all the accessories to make more room available for the engine to come out.
Another thing I remember finding messed up was the power steering, papasmurf had removed it partially and aspec just rigged it with bolts in hoses to plug it up... wether papasmurf told them to do this or not i don't know.
When I looked at the car papasmurf had a powerfc installed, and he had the rev limiter set really low like 4000rpm, so I don't see how he was beating on the car before break-in was done with the powerfc setup like this. I also recall him driving the car alot initially to finish the break-in as fast as possible, of course he was anxious to play with the car, anyone would after dropping that much cash on a ported motor. (the cost of this shocks me)
from where i'm sitting it looks like both aspec and papasmurf messed this up, but I personally place more responsibility on the vendor than the buyer in this situation.
Another thing I remember finding messed up was the power steering, papasmurf had removed it partially and aspec just rigged it with bolts in hoses to plug it up... wether papasmurf told them to do this or not i don't know.
When I looked at the car papasmurf had a powerfc installed, and he had the rev limiter set really low like 4000rpm, so I don't see how he was beating on the car before break-in was done with the powerfc setup like this. I also recall him driving the car alot initially to finish the break-in as fast as possible, of course he was anxious to play with the car, anyone would after dropping that much cash on a ported motor. (the cost of this shocks me)
from where i'm sitting it looks like both aspec and papasmurf messed this up, but I personally place more responsibility on the vendor than the buyer in this situation.
07-19-2003, 04:47 PM
#20
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Join Date: Sep 2002
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sorry to say people but aspec is blowing smoke up your asses saying IM the one who did all this stuff wrong to my own car. I did break the motor in correctly and i have the proof of MANY people that i had done it right. how in hell can i rev my engine at hooters in SCHAUMBURG if my engines redline was set at 3000? hmm let me think, i wouldnt be able to. Bad thing is when the rx7 community had even seen my car it had already gotten 1500 miles clocked on the rebuild, why would i want to bring out a seven that couldnt run? the first week after my rebuild i had to go on a long roadtrip for my uncles funeral which put considerable miles on my car. mind you i did change the oil at regular intervals as you have suggested to me. as well as 1000 miles there after with 20-50. if you want to get into a huge argument over this, i can show you the proof what was on, or off my car when i brought it in (pictures, statements over antwhere from 3-5 people of ANY aspect of my own wrong doings). if you say you charged me so little for this and all, then say my car was half apart when i brought it in, then why charge for a full removal of the engine? if things were not in such order (i told you to leave the ps and ac out, but not keep it) then how do you stay in business? if it is a 21mm nut, let me think, where would that go? lets say DRIVE SHAFT, which i JUST found out as i got a new clutch installed that the 3 nuts of 4 that i had removed and SPECIFICALLY told you to put back were NOT put back in my car. I have proof to my statement from the person who was with me in dropping the car off. I could've died driving the damm car and who would be found at fault to that? well sence i told you to put them back in and had proof to me saying that (they were the three nuts specially wrapped in the baggie as i told you) YOu would be found at fault.
Go ahead attempt to blame me for screwing my car over, eventhough from the numerous people who know me, i do NOT do so. your estimate was not only 300 off, every now and then as i had to call you over the rebuild, you keptsaying things were good etc etc, but how in hell would you know? the estimate was on the very HIGH end that you quoted me.
Now you tell me everyone who goes to your shop and spends multiple thousands of dollars on their cars are happy? just in the past week i met a seven owner who was especially displeased with the lack of workmanship you display. i spotted many things done wrong on his car as well, sorry he's not the leader of an auto-x team, or an all out show car like yours, hes just another person who wants his car to be built correctly.
i did happen to shop around BEFORE i took my car to your shop, and i knew you guys were expensive compared to my other options, but i would've rather overseen the operation than not knowing anything, so i went local, which was a mistake. at least the place where i bought my car from builds their own engines and is competent enough to call their own customers back if they feel fit to do so.
I did say i was not pleased and i did tell you of problems iw as having with my car, but it seems you all are all too busy with the "high dollar" cars to fix something. Money is a problem, for now i have spent close to 21,000 on my car with every recipt to prove it, which includes the 12500 i bought it for. If my car was built so correctly and i DO have proof of me NOT killing my car after the rebuild, then why is it slower than a stock seven? i spend 5900 on a rebuild with new fuel pump etc and i get a slower car? i know tuning is everything and the car is in that stage now, but even running on the base pfc maps it sur as hell should be faster. Stock computer? i said in my first post i did not run on the stock computer, you seem to just be trying to bash me as a seven owner and attempting to show my incompetitence after i had recived the car. Do you watch me and what i do? i sure as hell hope not, but others do and theyve seen nothing but YOUR wrong doing.
Time after time i have thought to persue this further past just posting on a message board, but i do not feel this is best, i respect you even somehow have a business, and hope sometime someone else calls you on YOUR incompetitence.
Go ahead attempt to blame me for screwing my car over, eventhough from the numerous people who know me, i do NOT do so. your estimate was not only 300 off, every now and then as i had to call you over the rebuild, you keptsaying things were good etc etc, but how in hell would you know? the estimate was on the very HIGH end that you quoted me.
Now you tell me everyone who goes to your shop and spends multiple thousands of dollars on their cars are happy? just in the past week i met a seven owner who was especially displeased with the lack of workmanship you display. i spotted many things done wrong on his car as well, sorry he's not the leader of an auto-x team, or an all out show car like yours, hes just another person who wants his car to be built correctly.
i did happen to shop around BEFORE i took my car to your shop, and i knew you guys were expensive compared to my other options, but i would've rather overseen the operation than not knowing anything, so i went local, which was a mistake. at least the place where i bought my car from builds their own engines and is competent enough to call their own customers back if they feel fit to do so.
I did say i was not pleased and i did tell you of problems iw as having with my car, but it seems you all are all too busy with the "high dollar" cars to fix something. Money is a problem, for now i have spent close to 21,000 on my car with every recipt to prove it, which includes the 12500 i bought it for. If my car was built so correctly and i DO have proof of me NOT killing my car after the rebuild, then why is it slower than a stock seven? i spend 5900 on a rebuild with new fuel pump etc and i get a slower car? i know tuning is everything and the car is in that stage now, but even running on the base pfc maps it sur as hell should be faster. Stock computer? i said in my first post i did not run on the stock computer, you seem to just be trying to bash me as a seven owner and attempting to show my incompetitence after i had recived the car. Do you watch me and what i do? i sure as hell hope not, but others do and theyve seen nothing but YOUR wrong doing.
Time after time i have thought to persue this further past just posting on a message board, but i do not feel this is best, i respect you even somehow have a business, and hope sometime someone else calls you on YOUR incompetitence.