2 MSD 6A's on the trailing



1 MSD 6A on the leading



1 MSD Coil for the leading



1 MSD Coil for the trailing



I'm thinking this will be a bad ass setup,what do you think?

i went with that but using stock coils

I was thinking about using stock coils but said **** it,might as well go big or go home.Plus its not like coils are expensive.

That sounds like it will work well. Check out http://fc3s-pro.com/TECH/MODS/IGN/coils.htm for advice on choosing coils.

You got room for all those boxes? They are not really small you know, especially the msd 6a.

If it aint broken I would just stay stock, get some other goodies. Stock coils are still the best.

Yes I have room and to even consider going over 400rwhp on a 3rd gen you need to upgrade the ignition.I dont give a **** what anyone says,if you keep the stock ignition your **** will be cutting out poppin and all kinds of nasty ****........been there for 3 years now single turbo and sick of it.

sick of the stock ignition that is

ok lets see! i have over 600 rwhp on stock FD coils! with 3 msd 6a boxes!

My Buddy's running the MSD 7AL on his turbo mustang with good results... thought I would throw that in there

I think its all in the tuning. Run some cold plugs....alot of guys like the B10egv's and fairly retarded timing



STEPHEN

Your running a 2nd gen. I thought the 2nd gen coils were better than the 3rd gens. Why did you use 3rd gen coils???



STEPHEN

Your running a 2nd gen. I thought the 2nd gen coils were better than the 3rd gens. Why did you use 3rd gen coils???



STEPHEN[/quote]

Yeah, alot of people I know with 3rd gen's and a standalone ECU like to use 2nd gen coils.

i think i was the first guy to go with an msd ignition, upgraded it to something like you are talking about a few years ago, and have recently read a few things that raise a few questions. first, i'll tell you what did and why and what i've learned about it over time.



i have an msd digital 6 on the leading, a dis2 on the trailing and 4 blaster coils. the amps are mounted on the back of the cargo area separator (see below). i have the battery in the bin behind the driver's seat (i know, i know, but i have a very big dog in the passenger's seat...). number 2 gauge wire goes up from the bin through the iside of the panel to a flaming river kill switch and from there to the amps. the number 2 gauge wires to the coils all go down along the driver's side rail, through the firewall and to the coils. the 2 leading msd blaster coils are mounted up high on the front of the driver's side fender well and the 2 trailings are mounted way down at the rear of the fender well.



the setup works great. the most noticeable things about it are that there is never any break up at any rpm. no stuttering, stumbling, no nothing. and, it pulls very clean and crisp (if you know what i mean) at very high rpm (>6000rpm). before with a crane marine (thru mid 1999), this wasn't true. it did all the things the msd's don't. also, it adds power, though i never did enough dynoing and didn;t keep what i did do to show it. with a single turbo, and enough fuel, you can really pick up some power from a better spark on the trailing firing.



now, i think this has been a great ignition. i really like the digital boxes, because they suppress emi/rfi well and they are very accurate in firing. (i don't know if the 6A's are digital and suppress emi/rfi?) i think this accuracy is important at high rpm (>6000rpm), since you can't afford a mistake. also, i have been decreasing the amount of timing split i run and again this greater accuracy gives me more comfort that nothing is going to cause the trailing to fire before the leading even when the split is <6 degrees.



i have heard some concerns on a number of points that do seem to have theoretical merit. first, the digital 6 is wired to both leading coils and fires them both every time. apparently the drain on the amp from firing both at the same time somewhat reducesw the output from the amp and lowers the actual spark power going to the plugs. it may also effect the charge times on the coils, but i'm not sure. i was told that a better way to do it was to split the lead from the igniter to 2 digital 6's-- one for each leading coil-- and this would eliminate the problem. again, i have never noticed anything here and have no plans to go that way right now. secondly, the dis2 apparently only has one amp and it is used by both the channels. the amp itself is the same as that in the digital 6. the thing is that there is some question of the power of the amp to handle both channels. can the amp reharge in time? anyway, again, i have had no problems with this setup.



i do think that using msd coils has helped. the amps are really designed to be used with their coils and it works better together. the rise times on the msd coils is very very fast. much faster than stock. this means you'll get full power at high rpm and that the coils will run cooler.



-gordon

Demetrios has the same setup as Gordon. D runs a **** load of boost as well as Nos and has had great sucess with this ignition setup, which is why I'll be going the same route. For the time being, I'll just be getting a digital 6 for the leading coil.

eventually i'm gonna swap to the msd coils but i'm just trying to get my car to move first https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

Actually Demetrios doesn't use the same coils as Gordon does....but the rest is the same..

i think it would be cool to d's car on the streets https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

Can you just hook the msd units up and go,or is there some adjusting to to do with them first?

You just wire up the MSD 6A's and that's it. There's nothing to adjust.

I just noticed something about your list. You said "one" coil for T. The trailing has to be fired at different times so you need 2 seperate coils unless they make on with 2 post that can be fired a different times. It would need to be similar to the L set up but with the 2 post being able to fire at different times instead of together like L



Hope that gives you some good info!!!



STEPHEN

I'm running the stupid HKS twinpower...Thanks ErnieT!!!

I'm running the stupid HKS twinpower...Thanks ErnieT!!![/quote]

Lol...nothing wrong with the Twin Power if your not going too high on boost. D uses the Digital 7's and Dis2 as well as the HVC pro coils.

I've just put on the Digital 6 with a second genn leading coil. Left trailing alone for now.

Can i run 1 msd 7al on the street and not have any problems

Your better off going with a MSD digital 6 on the leading coil and leaving the rest alone. This will get you buy. You really don't need to upgrade your ignition unless your running a single turbo over 18psi.

O.K. You guys just totally blew my mind with that. It's bad enough that I hate electonics. I just know most mechanical things. gmonsen that's one hell of a setup. I don't know exactly what it means but it sounds good. I'm going to have you guys teach me some things about ignitions and other electronic items on our cars before I start getting that far.

Hey! Why not Jacobs ignition? howcome nobody's using those

Because its the worst on the market. Known to blow a few motors in its time.

The Jacobs are netorious for burning up the coils. They are meant to be used with aftermarket coils and if you run them on your stock coils they will burn up.....which is a bad thing



STEPHEN

jacobs is also the most money



mike

People why not just run racing plugs? I've seen them make a hell of a difference on the dyno when more than 14psi is being run. It's simpler and probably cheaper than all that MSD talk. So why not?

jacobs are bad. msd is good. crane is in between imho. once you go single, you should get the best ignition you can. no scrimping here or you risk -a- blowing the motor from badly timed sparking -b- break up, stuttering, or stumbling, especially at higher rpm or -c- not enough spark to get the power out. i really like the msd setup. run 3 msd amps with 4 msd blaster coils (they have the faster charge times and great output) and ngk racing plugs (10's or colder). (btw, "12A". you said why not go with racing plugs and be done with the issue of ignition. that doesn't get it done. the racing plugs are typically colder than stock and need more power to work right. this dictates that you use an aftermarket ignition, like the msd.) -gordon

Gordon,



Just curious as to what your single turbo setup is. I made a sticky(when I was a single turbo mod) and am DYING to see anything you post.



Vn

jspecracer7: i posted my mods in the single turbo post... -gordon

Gordon,why did you put the dis2 on the trailing and the dis 6 on the leading?





I thought you wanted the most spark on the trailing?



Isn't the Dis6 stronger than the Dis2?



Can you explain this please?

Leading fires first combusting the bulk of the mixture. Trailing basically cleans up the left overs which from my understanding is about 15% of the mixture.



I'd say the Leading is easliy the most important and hardest worked......unless your running no split where the L and T fire together



I'm sure Gordon will chime in with some info if he disagrees



STEPHEN

Leading fires first combusting the bulk of the mixture. Trailing basically cleans up the left overs which from my understanding is about 15% of the mixture.



I'd say the Leading is easliy the most important and hardest worked......unless your running no split where the L and T fire together



I'm sure Gordon will chime in with some info if he disagrees



STEPHEN[/quote]

Maybe I am confused or just getting things backwards since I havent thought about this in awhile.





Arent the trailing rotor the first to go when popping a motor?If this is not the case then I am just getting things ass backwards or I am dislexic(SP?)

i'm talking about the leading and trailing plugs on each rotor. the trailings are a clean up firing on the stock car, but their function becomes more important when you are running a very high output motor. that's why i ran cdi amps on both. i originally did this in early 2000 and found it had a big impact on the overall running of the motor. it pulled more cleanly to redline. and more power.



the dis2 is a two channel amp (hey, stereo!), so you can feed the two separate trailing igniter leads one each to the inputs for each dis2 channel and they will fire correctly on each. since the leadings fire at the same time, you run that input into a single channel d6plus. there are very tiny problems with this in that the power from the d6plus is reduced a bit from firing both coils, but i have not found any problems with this. i think that the coils fire their full output if triggered by a sufficient input. some people have gone with running a dis2 for the leadings and a dis2 for the trailings. or, you could split the leading signal and run the same signal in parallel to 2 separate d6plus's and a dis2 for the trailings. i have not seen the necessity for this however.



the main thing is that i really believe that this setup is the best i have found and highly recommend it to anyone with a single turbo setup. -gordon

Ok so with your setup,you just hook it up and go?There are no settings on the dis6 or 2 that you need to change or anything?



If I were only going to use one box for now and get the other one later would you reccomend me getting the DIS 6 now and the DIS 2 later ot the other way around?



Can I run these on the stock coils for now (temp) or will they burn them up?



Also,would you happen to have the part numbers for those or do they only make one kind?



Sorry about all the questions..



Thanks for taking the time to answer.

1 leading 6a

1 trailing 6a

1 leading 6a

1 trailing 6a



and msd coils too

I currently have the HKS Twinpower and I'm going single. I would like turn run hight boost. Can I just change out my coils for more heavy duty ones or will I have to change out my whole setup with MSD equipment? If I can change out my coils can I just get 4 msd blaster coils?