Moving away from my modified T78 to a full-on GT40R. Turbo should be here in two weeks or so and based on my car's current performance with the same compressor wheel, I'm expecting big things from the full BB turbo. I'll be sending my T78 out for a full rebuild and then selling it. If anyone is looking to upgrade their T78, the compressor side on my turbo has been upgraded with the GT40R's 88mm compressor wheel. Jason at the RX7store/forum made over 460rwhp on pump gas with this same turbo, 506 with 100octane at 20(?)psi.
Assuming nothing else goes wrong with my car after the new turbo is on, I should hit the dyno for tuning fairly soon after the swap is complete. |
michel i love my ball bearing turbo. all i can say really is ooooh ahhhhhhh!!!!
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Hey Michel, when did you order it? Sean sez it'll take 4-6 wks for mine. BTW, according to the Garrett website, the GT40 is a journal bearing turbo not ball-bearing. The GT42R is BB. I can't find whether there is a GT40R turbo. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub..._DIR#>/dry.png
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Probably a custom turbo like thr 35/40 was
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Originally Posted by HedgeHog' date='Jan 17 2004, 01:49 AM
Hey Michel, when did you order it? Sean sez it'll take 4-6 wks for mine. BTW, according to the Garrett website, the GT40 is a journal bearing turbo not ball-bearing. The GT42R is BB. I can't find whether there is a GT40R turbo. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub..._DIR#>/dry.png
-Sean |
Originally Posted by Silver Ninety Three' date='Jan 17 2004, 12:25 PM
Probably a custom turbo like thr 35/40 was
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The GT40 R BB is their newest entry and as such Garrett hasn't updated their catalog yet....sometimes the marketing departments are a bit slow in getting things out. Most of the turbos available in the Garrett PDF catalog were out years ago but there was no catalog. The BB does exist. Several shops carry them but A-spec was the easiest to deal with as they're familiar with it's installation on FD's which normally isn't a bolt-on affair with this turbo due to the strange turbine discharge setup. A-Spec has taken the time to make the turbo work on an FD without a bunch of machining by the end purchaser. Less of a headach for me. My FD's given me enough headaches over the past year so I didn't need another to deal with https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif
More than likely, I will purchase the rest of the kit at some point in the not too distant future. My manifold is not fully divided and I'm sure the A-spec manifold will make a difference. Not to mention it's ALL V-band. |
Originally Posted by Zero R' date='Jan 17 2004, 10:41 AM
No worries the reason it is only two weeks for him it is just the turbo. So I just order it and send it off.
-Sean |
Originally Posted by rx7tt95' date='Jan 17 2004, 11:08 AM
The GT40 R BB is their newest entry and as such Garrett hasn't updated their catalog yet....sometimes the marketing departments are a bit slow in getting things out. Most of the turbos available in the Garrett PDF catalog were out years ago but there was no catalog. The BB does exist. Several shops carry them but A-spec was the easiest to deal with as they're familiar with it's installation on FD's which normally isn't a bolt-on affair with this turbo due to the strange turbine discharge setup. A-Spec has taken the time to make the turbo work on an FD without a bunch of machining by the end purchaser. Less of a headach for me. My FD's given me enough headaches over the past year so I didn't need another to deal with https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif
More than likely, I will purchase the rest of the kit at some point in the not too distant future. My manifold is not fully divided and I'm sure the A-spec manifold will make a difference. Not to mention it's ALL V-band. |
Hedge, (I haven't talked with you in a while btw...) I pretty much do my own tuning. Once I get it where I want it I will post my map on the Datalogit forum. Seems only fair given the amount of help everyone on that list has given me in the past :-)
As for the filter, I'm "assuming" it's a 4" inlet, same as my T78. I've found two different HKS filters that will work with the T78 and the front mount IC. Again assuming the GT40R isn't appreciably longer than the T78, my current setup will work . The two filters that work (besides the K&N) are both made by HKS and can be readily found online unlike the GReddy filter which will take you half a year to acquire. The first is the HKS Superz Power Flow filter, PN#1504-SA008. It's a 200mm filter body (aka BIG) with a 100mm inlet (about 4"). Yes, it's green, but there are cheap HKS replacement elements in several colors available for about $12. The second is also from HKS and is the new Metalflow stuff...If you've ever seen the Blitz filters, you'll know what the Metalflows look like. It's a stainless mesh with titanium-coated top and bottom. It's cone shaped like the K&N's, flat top, but the top is also a filter so there's lots of "area" in the filter itself. It has the same dimensions, 200mm filter w/ 100mm inlet, PN# 1510-SA015. The reason I went with these two filters as opposed to a much cheaper K&N is due to my vented hood. Any rain falls on the filter and would wash the oil off the K&N. Won't have that problem with either of the HKS filters. Now, for the A-Spec full kit, I understand it's positioned down and back further than the T78 kit. Sean will probably know what fits best but I would imagine you could use a much longer filter that isn't quite as big diameter wise. Hey Sean, can you supply an oil feed line for this turbo or is that something that comes from overseas with the rest of the kit? I'm sure my current line would work with the appropriate adapter, but it's a good practice to use a new oil supply line with a new turbo. Cheap insurance. |
Oh forgot to mention on the tuning thing...since I'm using the same compressor now, I'm sure there won't be much of a change up top although the more efficient turbine might have something to say about that (less backpressure). What will change will be where the boost comes on (I'm guestimating 1500rpm sooner) so I'll have to change the "bottom" of the boost range
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The kit is not from overseas ask anyone who's been in my shop watching me make these things all day long, believe me it gets tiring, as for the oil feed I'm not sure, I could make you one but you will need to give me measurements of length and whatnot.
-sean |
My bad...thought they were still being made in Aussie land :-) I'll figure out how long the line needs to be. Wasn't thinking and forgot my turbo placement is different :-)
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i just took out my hardline and put in a stainless hose right from the oil feed michel.... it was easier than finding a fitting that could hook up to the hardline...
by the way, whats your paypal addy? i gotta send you that money.. |
Originally Posted by vspecpgt' date='Jan 18 2004, 11:43 AM
i just took out my hardline and put in a stainless hose right from the oil feed michel.... it was easier than finding a fitting that could hook up to the hardline...
by the way, whats your paypal addy? i gotta send you that money.. -Sean |
Yes, that's how I have my line running now...from the block on the driver's front to the turbo. I'd say a 3.5ft. hose would be just fine, but I'm going to do a bit of measuring anyway just to be sure.
Michel |
I can definately verify what Sean is seeing as I've seen that turbo kit in numerous stages of the build process. Anyone who orders a kit from these guys will not be unsatisfied with the craftwmanship. They are topnotch.
-Nic |
Look like 3ft. will be more than adequate for the oil feed Sean. I could probably get away with 2.5 ft. but the extra length will let me route it where I need to. PM me if/when you get a chance. Not sure what sort of lines the coolant feed should be or what they're set up for on the turbo? Right now the turbo is oil fed only.
I actually remember hearing that A-Spec was working overtime building the kits themselves...just forgot. I think Rick mentioned something to me. When I said overseas it wasn't as in Hong Kong overseas it was in Australia overseas. I'm sure the kit is top notch in build quality otherwise I wouldn't have contemplated purchasing one or advising others to get one :-) |
Welcome to the club, gentleman. Sean has sucked us in willingly and the pleasure will be all ours! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png
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Originally Posted by HedgeHog' date='Jan 18 2004, 01:27 AM
OIC...btw, what are u planning to do wrt air filter? Just a K&N, special plumbing, or other brands? Also, who's doing your PFC maps afterwards (i suspect it'll be close to your T78)?
Sean had a nice setup on his car where he ran tubing to colder parts down low. Sean, you got a pic of that? Tony |
Originally Posted by Badog' date='Jan 19 2004, 07:05 PM
Hey Hedwig,
Sean had a nice setup on his car where he ran tubing to colder parts down low. Sean, you got a pic of that? Tony btw, Sean, Tony, Michel, ne1 else...think the CWR IC is big enough for this? |
Originally Posted by HedgeHog' date='Jan 20 2004, 11:41 AM
O.....do tell.
btw, Sean, Tony, Michel, ne1 else...think the CWR IC is big enough for this? What are the eff. and CFM numbers and I'll run a simulation on it. |
I dunno...that CWR is pretty big...I sold mine but wish I still had it, sigh...remember it's two rows larger than the M2 Large and a bit longer.
I have a Knightsports vented hood and if there's enough room with the new turbo, I may fab a carbon shroud which completely surrounds the filter except for the top which will be open to the passenger's side hood vent. |
Originally Posted by rx7tt95' date='Jan 23 2004, 09:15 AM
I dunno...that CWR is pretty big...I sold mine but wish I still had it, sigh...remember it's two rows larger than the M2 Large and a bit longer.
I have a Knightsports vented hood and if there's enough room with the new turbo, I may fab a carbon shroud which completely surrounds the filter except for the top which will be open to the passenger's side hood vent. |
Cool congrats those are nice numbers....good luck.
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Kevin's still around...yeah it's basically the same core (it was the best available at the time) but it's two rows deeper (still a three row core) but it has like 18 or 20 rows whereas the ASP and M2 had two less vertically. Not that it makes "that" much difference :-) If anyone is interested in a CWR IC w/duct, I sold mine to a fellow Floridian some time ago. Well, he's going V8 and it's up for sale, complete with duct for I believe $900 if it hasn't been sold already. FYI, my IAT's with the front mount aren't really any better than with the CWR IC. It's a great setup.
Michel |
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