Wastegate
#11
Originally Posted by Dramon_Killer' date='Sep 9 2003, 11:32 AM
What exactly is boost creep?
#12
Originally Posted by ZenRXSeven' date='Sep 9 2003, 11:43 AM
[quote name='jspecracer7' date='Sep 8 2003, 02:58 PM'] [quote name='ZenRXSeven' date='Sep 9 2003, 02:29 AM'] And the size of the wastegate isn't all that important, as long as it's quite a bit more than large enough to handle any sort of boost creep. Then you just tune your boost controller to raise the boost to the level that you want.
Oh, and the stock wastegate is large enough for a stock car. You'll know you need a bigger wastegate when you start modding and making more boost than you ought to be.
Oh, and the stock wastegate is large enough for a stock car. You'll know you need a bigger wastegate when you start modding and making more boost than you ought to be.
Size the wastegate so that you can run the LOWEST amount of boost possible. Then use your boost controller to turn boost up. [/quote]
Yeah, that's exactly what I was saying. Sizing a wastegate isn't an exact science. It just has to be big. [/quote]
lol...in the easiest terms you and I can think of...Bigger is better
#13
I remember reading something once that said that if an external wastegate is too big the valve sits very close to the seat and can damage it. I can't recall the logic behind the claim. Basically the artical said to only go as big as you need to eliminate boost creep. I don't know if this is true or not, but thought I'd mention it to see what other people thought.
I've also noticed some people getting away with running reasonably small wastgates in cases where the manifold design has been well thought out in regards to flow to the wastegate.
I've also noticed some people getting away with running reasonably small wastgates in cases where the manifold design has been well thought out in regards to flow to the wastegate.
#15
Originally Posted by little rotor' date='Sep 9 2003, 08:35 AM
I remember reading something once that said that if an external wastegate is too big the valve sits very close to the seat and can damage it. I can't recall the logic behind the claim. Basically the artical said to only go as big as you need to eliminate boost creep. I don't know if this is true or not, but thought I'd mention it to see what other people thought.
I've also noticed some people getting away with running reasonably small wastgates in cases where the manifold design has been well thought out in regards to flow to the wastegate.
I've also noticed some people getting away with running reasonably small wastgates in cases where the manifold design has been well thought out in regards to flow to the wastegate.
Buying too large a wastegate will also damage your wallet, unless it is too thick to begin with.
#16
Originally Posted by GarageBoy' date='Sep 9 2003, 04:35 PM
How does the boost controller make you turbo boost higher?
#18
Originally Posted by GarageBoy' date='Sep 11 2003, 07:16 AM
Thanks! So the boost controller uses soleniods to alter the airflow?
Also when installing a boost controller, use quality lines, The Pep Boys special silicone hose kit for $39.95 is not going to withstand the boost pressures like a good fiber reinforced rubber line.
On a side note, if you decide to go with a large external wastegate and vent it to atmosphere w/ a larger turbo (TO4S or larger) I highly suggest a good set of ear plugs.
#19
Originally Posted by TYSON' date='Sep 9 2003, 04:11 PM
Boost controller uses air pressure to hold the wastegate closed beyond what its internal spring would normally allow. This forces more exhaust gasses to exit through the turbo, spinning it faster and voila, boost rises!
#20
I have not really seen a mathmatical equation that says for X amount of boost on Brand Y turbo use Supergate G. It depends on boost levels, motor porting and other factors. Using a 60mm wastegate on a T-88 Goliath with stock ports and a 76.3 exhaust is not going to do much, boosting .6kilo. You have to look at the flow of the turbo and what type of exhaust you will be running. Most kits on the market now have the correct wastegate for the manifold/turbo combination. Another thing to look at if buying used manifolds is to measure the output flange for the wastegate on the manifold itself. In my case I have a weird flange, and need a 50mm or larger wastegate to handle the T45s I have. I talked with the guys at Dragons shop (IGY, Dragon, JSpecRacer7, and Scott and Beau) and nobody had a definitive answer as to what would be the best unit for my application (HKS's new wastegate was brought up a few times) but most of the responses were "BIG" I don't think any of them have one smaller than a 50mm