RETed

I never broke any rules that I know of.

If I have broken one of the forum rules, can you show me where explicitly what I did wrong?



You asked for comments on the intercooler.

I offered them.

If you don't like them, you're welcome to ignore me.

I don't expect you to listen anyways.



If you don't want ME to say anything in your thread, just tell me to **** OFF.

I'd be happy to oblige you.



I don't understand what this has anything to do with the RX-7 Forum?

What is your point?

You don't like negative opinions in your threads?

Why are you bothering to ask for opinions?



To ask for opinions and then tell me to shut the hell up is just...I dunno, you tell me?







-Ted

RETed

I didn't say it "sucks" - at least not in this thread.



It's an inferior core.

Try and see if you can find the Spearco literature on intercooler design.

An intercooler's internal fin design is directly related to how efficient it heat exchange efficiency.



The above pic of the intercooler core basically has no internal fins.

Pressure drop is minimized, but heat exchange efficiency is not as good as one with proper internal fins. I always thought the number one priority for an intercooler is heat exchange?



I can get XS Engineering "Skyline GT-R" tube-and-fin cores for $500. I find these intercooler cores to be adequate for my customers' needs. They are internal fin design and are more better designed that the intercooler core shown above.







-Ted

adamlewis

Well full boost from my 60-1 only raises temps a few above ambient.



So lets see...I get less pressure drop, and the thing cools the air almost as much as possible...



Seems pretty good for a cheap IC that people shouldnt waste their money on.









Ted, its just like with somethings, you dont even bother looking for real data or getting your own. You just trust what all the books say and take the manufacturers word as the final say in it all. You can quote all the XS engineering propaganda you want about "superior internal fin design", but at the end of the day, my IC keeps temps within just a few degrees of ambient and I paid a lot less than you did.



But hey...Whatever helps you sleep at night, ya know?

RETed

How much boost is that?

How long are you boosting?

What is ambient temps?





Versus what?

Stock? I'd like to see proof of that.





Relative to what?

I'm sure it's cooling the intake charge as much as it can possible because what else can it do? Does it cool less than its capacity? Does it cool more than it's capacity?





And on what objective numbers are you basing this conclusion on?

$ per percentage of cooling efficiency?

$ per percentage of temperature drop?

$ per degree of temperature drop?





Funny, this is coming from a guy who just used...

"...raises temps a few above ambient..."

"...I get less pressure drop..."

"...the thing cools the air almost as much as possible..."

"Seems pretty good for a cheap IC..."



You want hard numbers?

Stock IC, 7psi of boost, ambient 50F, speeds up to 120mph+

13BT, ported motor, H-trim compressor upgrade, Haltech E6K

Boosted runs up to 15 seconds at a time

Intake temp on the Haltech showed max temps at 105F.

That surprised me - I was expecting 120F easy, but the data doesn't lie.

It looks like the stock IC isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be.





Hmmm...I guess you can go tell that to Spearco and Garrett; I tend to believe manufacturers like them before I believe your claims from your limited experience.

I didn't even quote XS Engineering nor their propaganda; I find their tube-and-fin cores some of the cheapest on the market.





Oh? It's funny cause I still run the stock IC, so what you're claiming is already bullshit. You definitely paid more than I did, cause I spent zero on a FMIC.





"The pot calling the kettle black."



It's funny; you should step back and see what you're typing.



I know people will always be defensive about their purchases.

To be ignorant and think what you're buying is more than it is makes you look very foolish.

You need to go talk to other experts who deal with intercoolers and intercooler design day-in and day-out; don't be surprised what you will hear. It's obvious that you're not going to listen to me - you've made that point clear.





-Ted

adamlewis

Good god Ted. You must really feel strong about this. Too bad youre whole thing is just full of holes and makes no sense



Its been up to 17. 2nd through almost all of 4th gear. Ambient temps were mid 60's. Do you want to know the grade of the road I was on? Or the position of the sun in regards to the alignment of the planets also?



You yourself said that pressure drop is minimized with my shitty core. Im assuming that your super magic spearco core that cools below absolute zero must have more of a pressure drop than my crap IC. Thats what I was comparing it too. Kinda sad you didnt catch that one...



Cools the air as much as possible...

Hmm...

Lets take a second and think about this one.

How cold can any air/air IC cool the intake charge? OH! Thats right! It can only cool it down to ambient temperature! Gee whiz. Using this logic thing isnt as hard as they say it is. Well...I guess it is for some people



Its cheaper than what youre getting and it does a damn good job. Thats what Objective numbers Im basing it on. Sorry I have a life that gets in the way of me sitting down to do some odd cost/pressure drop analysis.



Why the hell are you talking about the stock IC? I never said it was bad. In fact, I was one of the few who supported how good it was. I ran 18psi everything from 8-18psi through the stock IC and the HT-18 and temps never got super high. Youre right. It is pretty good for what it is.



All I have to say is that limited experience is better than no experience. Spearco and GReddy and XS all want to sell you their products. You think theyre going to release material that says, "Well...Actually you can get an IC for a lot cheaper thats only marginally worse than what we offer"?



Like I said, Im sorry that I have a life outside of the internet and mountains of data to play with. Instead of talking to all these intercooler experts, I think Ill just go get some ACTUAL DATA for MYSELF.

RETed

And the intake temps were?



Re-read what I said.

Most important function of an intercooler is heat exchange.





Last time I checked, there was no such thing as a "100% efficient" intercooler, which you describe.



Then just claim you don't know what you're doing - don't claim your experience / experiment is the perfect solution for everyone.



If the stock IC was "good enough", then why bother replacing it? Going with a front mount implies you're looking for something better. Ergo, the previous intercooler was not good enoguh for you needs.



Ah, ok...I get it. You have a great disdain of large manufacturers who make "petty" claims of their (superior) performance...



Sure, all valid, factual data is welcome.







-Ted

boost_creep

Same **** different Day.



As if all the <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>**** technicalities </span>mattered for a street car. People buy stuff for so many ******* REASONS so why the **** has everything has to be justified.



There are so many reasons that determine how people and why they spend and some that come to mind:-



1) BUYS something BECAUSE IT LOOKS GOOD

2) THEY CAN ONLY AFFORD TO SPEND SO MUCH

3) COMPROMISE

4) NOT A PRIORITY



There are a million other reasons and if you would not use something THEN DON'T ******* USE IT Thats your ******* choice.

But don't tell me what I buy is irrelevant because you might be able to afford a better product.



You're the most disgusting, retarded person I ever had the displeasure of knowing and quite a few other people are getting to realize the same. You have been around and everywhere you go, you get the same reaction. Abviously, this should tell you that it's not the people that have a problem but ******* YOU.



If you can't be critical or enlightening without offending people, THEN SHUT THE **** UP, If I was anywhere near you I would WHOOP your ***.

boost_creep

Sorry Guys I am F****** Angry. I have seen this DICK HEAD all over the forums and his remarks and case for superior knowledge just rub me and other people the wrong way.

9BASE3

I have no idea why, but THAT was the funniest thing I've ever read!!

jspecracer7

Umm...guys...Ted is a knowledgeable guy. He's just not an internet "people person". But in all seriousness...all Ted did was state an opinion. He said that he would never use it because you get what you pay for....strictly an opinion. Didn't attack anybody, simply stated his opinion on that particular intercooler. Then you guys jump in his ****...now who's the *******?



adam, do you have any logs of your intake temps on the track or during any quarter mile runs? Intake temps vs. ambient temps over X amount of time is the data that's pertinent to this thread.



I believe that my FMIC probably has quite a bit of pressure drop. Not a big deal with a big *** turbo since I'll just turn the boost up to fix the problem. Pressure drop should only be taken into consideration second since cooling is the first thing you should worry about.