Thought you might want to see the new Aspec handiwork.

http://home.columbus.rr.com/dv8/mykit/1.JPG

http://home.columbus.rr.com/dv8/mykit/2.JPG

Looks nice, where did you get the kit and how much did it set you back?

Is that a turbosmart wastegate?

Aspec. Price? Don't know yet, I just put them on retainer!

Aspec have a website?

Got any more pics?

tony, that might be new from aspec, but i bought that same kit from rpm many months ago for $3300 shipped from australia

And I don't see the smooth bends on your kit!



THAT is the point/new part! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

Holy crap.. That looks bad ass..

There kit has come along way. I still feel that ours is better. Here's a shot of ours that was delivered to a member on this forum....

BTW, on the top photos(Aspec's kit)..that does look like a turbosmart WG, but my question is why would they be using it? Turbosmart is primarily an AU company and we had enough trouble with them trying to get our stuff and our kits are made in AU. I'm puzzled how or why Aspec would use them.



Our kit is the same as unvmyrx7, however, since he has purchased his..there have been some changes. We have switched to Tial wastegates(better reliability for servicing, turbosmart takes forever to get stuff lately!), changed to 3.8mm mild steel and ceramic coating which has proven stronger then SS. We also are using a new fabricator who is supposed to be a lot more skilled, and he does an awesome job with the ceramic coating!



In the past we have also proven to be cheaper(in price) then Aspec, but we'll see how it all comes down now that they have competition,lol.

Looks nice Tony....when do you plan on having it up and running?

Lane_change...I was trying to get a hold of you a few weeks ago to see if you got the kit installed. It looks good thus far. I can't wait to see some of your numbers. Some of the other guys we sold them to already dynoed their cars, but with bad maps from the PowerFC. We'd like to see some high numbers for you after that wait! Good luck, and keep us posted....

It is installed but my car still isn't running. I am having problems with my fuel system....in need of connectors to fit my top feed primary fuel rail. The ones from Jason are too wide and can not fit next to each other without hitting the posts.



The motor is in, the turbo is in, the fuel lines, pump, rails, etc...are in....just some real small **** left, then I have to break it in, and go tune it for 17psi and dyno her.



I really hope for at least around 450rwhp or so at 17psi...that would be great. We'll see though. I got my 3 Bar installed so I can tune for my 20psi+ pulls as well and see how close I can get to 500rwhp. I guess I'll see if I am the lone person with a good motor from BNR?

Lane_change: pm me on the fitting problems with the fuel rail. I ended up having to do 4 90 degree bends on the primary and secondary rails (Keith's rails).



A friend just saw 415+RWHP at 16 psi. This was on a baseline run after a new fuel pump. It's being tuned for more boost. now.



My personal goal is 500RWHP before 20psi. I always exceed my personal goals...

may i ask how this was proven...

always had the notion that stainless steel has a better resistance to heat transfer and corrosion

doesnt need coating....higher tensile strength..

Hmmm. I don't remember stating that the topic on this thread was compare your GT35/40 kits to Aspec's? https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png



If it's the same turbo, basically the same manifold and the only differences are the piping, why is yours better?



For the DP alone I would pay the difference in price. Not to mention that I have met Sean in person, drooled over his car, and hence have some trust established with him. People will pay more for quality of service.



Regards,



Tony

They are coating mild steel. Kit cost for mild steel and cast manifold was around $2600.

is this the same aspec that messed up papasmurfs fd?

im inquirin how they proved ms to be stronger than ss as theyve indicated..

oh my good god, ive got to go and change my underwear now

Aspec's kit (the one pictured) is SS. I never claimed anything about MS.

I am running two 45 degree fittings for the primary rail....the feed side is using a straight fitting and the return side is using a 120 degree fitting.



I am running two 90 degree fittings for the secondary rail.....the feed side is using a straight fitting and the return side is using a 90 degree fitting.



I ran into problems with my injector connectors for the primary fuel rail.....that is my largest hold up.

the reference wasnt for you badog..

it was in reference to rotaryman88s statement...

not sure why the change to ms was made from ss..

aside from what ive already stated...ss is also lighter..



unless the ms was coated throughout...meanin inside and out..

id gather its still susceptible to rust...



im assuming the cost difference was made here..

Ivan and others down there had problems with the SS cracking under high boost. So they tried MS out with the Ceramic coating and it held up alot better. That is about all I know....if Ivan posts on here, I am sure he will know tons more details. Sorry for my vague post.

This is an email I recieved from Ivan about this:



The mild steel ceramic coated pipes are a new project that we are doing as well, I have done one for my car and I prefer it to the Stainless one I had before, running at 25psi. It is way more reliable than the SS pipes that the other shops are offering because, we heat treat them and ceramic coat the pipes as well, we recently have had a SS pipe crack on the dyno, and Tim was there to witness it because he was doing the tuning, and he was the one that stressed the fact that the mild steel is better as the 3.8mm thickness will not crack

No disrespect but you are essentially selling our kit, We have no problem getting turbosmart stuff at any time you just need to know where to go. I can sell these gates at a pretty good price too. Tial gates are nice but no better, and I'm curious what makes you think yours is better, I can say I have installed and handled both kits since both were/are mine originally and are constantly improved upon with each and every one, and if your still selling old rpm made kits your kits need some improvement believe me, I've seen it first hand and I've seen alot more of it than anyone, most of the stuff that is improved upon you can't see please keep that in mind, as I can see many things that still need to be changed on what you sell as" YOUR" kit. I would even be willing to help you make those changes.These are made both in mild/coated and stainless depending on what the customer asks for. There will be continuious redesigns of this to constantly provide better products to the people out there. I'm not going to get into this whole A-spec RPM thing anymore, it's not worth it, the fact is this, the kits are by far the best most complete kits you will find for the money,period, they come from the original design/manufacturer who's had the most experience with them/ they are not rebadged,they are made right here in Chicago. They will be sold at a very competitive price. Please keep in mind this isn't meant to bash you or be a personal attack, I'm just speaking the facts backed by the experience of over 20+ kits even though it seems you are trying to better your position by attacking us.



Oh and I will not be responding to anymore such replies, only questions about the kits being made.



Thanks,Sean

Well since we are on the subject? What has been improved upon? I am curious since I bought an RPM kit from Ivan. Also, I see that HKS sellls a GT35/40 turbo kit.....is it more or less the same? I know it is not an FD kit, but it's still a GT35/40.



Thanks,

Scott

I had to spin the connectors towards the manifold side https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

The reason it cracked was due to the way it was put together,and nothing to do with it being stainless, that has been resolved on our end, mild steel will hold up just as good, as the stainless. I just hope they are using the right coating or it will come off in very little time.





-Sean

I had to spin my secondaries around to the Manifold side as well....but I never tried that with the primaries.....maybe I should. Keith was supposed to have sent me some connectors that work since the ones I have don't work.



I am hoping to have it running in a week or so....but I need some sort of a base map to even start my car up with. I think you know my mods. Do you have anything that would at least allow me to drive my car so I can break it in?



I honestly don't know near enough about SS vs. MS so I will not argue with you...I only know what Ivan told me.



Scott

Kit looks nice, regardless who makes it!

You got that right.

Yeah Scott. We can set you up with a "1000 mile" map. After that, the map expires! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png

The squabbling over this "kit" is very amusing. Everyone claiming they "improved" it, but the biggest problem is still there.



BTW, mild steel expands less than stainless steel, and therefore is generally less likely to crack, particularily if by stainless steel you mean plain old 304SS.

Before we became RPM's outlet for this kit in the US, they used SS manifolds and DP on all their kits. They had some problems actually cracking the SS manifolds while making numerous dyno pulls during testing, and have since changed to a thicker mild steel setup w/ ceramic coat...we have yet to hear back from anybody who has cracked the MS manifold, and we have sold 7 kits this year and know of 4 that have been installed and dynoed(all of which were MS). It's really up to the consumer if they want SS or MS, but I know I'm going with MS when I have the kit on my FC. I'm not trying to start a war against who's kit is better, and everybody is entitled to their own opinion. Trust who you will, but we'll keep making the kit how we make it, and Aspec can make theirs how they make it....

The problem they had we took a pretty good look at and thought of two things, one was the way they were attching the wastgate tube to the manifold so we changed that, the other was due to excessive back pressure at higher boost levels due to flow issues, we resolved that by smoothing out flow through the downpipe and through the dumpipe, we are still making some improvements on that as well. People will start to see the differences when they put a kit I made two weeks ago versus a kit I made yesterday next to each other.



Thanks,Sean

Hey A-Spec



What type of SS is that and also what thickness/gauge?

The MS shouldn't rust. Most manufacturers coat inside and out. Jet-Hot can do this for anyone. (there is a coating that withsatnds 2000 degrees, but is a dull grey)