Im in the process of putting a 13B into my 88 B2200 truck. Ill keep this updated as things progress, but it will be a little slow in the near future. Ive just got too many other things taking precedence.



Engine: 13B, mostly S5 parts but nothing is set in stone yet. I still have to finish the porting and decide which rotating assembly I want to use. Thats the next project, and Ill have more details on that before long.



Trans: S5 n/a, but I swapped the tailhousing for for truck one. Im putting together a how-to for that process, which Ill put up as soon as I can. This allowed me to use the stock driveshaft, trans mount, and shifter.



Engine mounts: fabricated by yours truly, and I will be selling these on my website. Expect pricing to be announced and the mounts listed on my site before the end of the week.



On to the pics! The complete gallery can be found here.



The clutch slave cylinder was a very tight fit, which required a new lower tie bar to allow the engine to sit low enough to provide enough clearance.

https://www.nopistons.com/forums/gal...214_876063.jpg



There is the lower tie bar installed with the engine sitting in its approximate location.

https://www.nopistons.com/forums/gal...214_400811.jpg



prototype drivers side mount

https://www.nopistons.com/forums/gal...214_647831.jpg



prototype pass side mount

https://www.nopistons.com/forums/gal...214_308247.jpg



mounts installed. the tie bar is absent here

https://www.nopistons.com/forums/gal...214_769085.jpg



engine mounted

https://www.nopistons.com/forums/gal...214_576880.jpg

https://www.nopistons.com/forums/gal...214_179258.jpg

https://www.nopistons.com/forums/gal...214_874101.jpg



I will be cutting the truck engine mount bosses off the frame for more clearance, but it is not necessary to fit the motor. You will just have to run headers, as the stock exhaust manifold will not clear those mount bosses.



Here is the engine mounts and tie bar. They will be sold together. Ill have all the details and ordering information available by the end of the week.

https://www.nopistons.com/forums/gal...214_106925.jpg

Very cool Adam! Let's make sure you finish this one all the way though. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.gif

yeah yeah yeah...



Unlike my rx7, Im actually going the reasonable route with this. And Ive already got almost everything I need to put it together. Youre gonna like the intake manifold though...

You just going to putt around town in it? I don't wanna guess the intake manifold though, I don't want to spoil anything. Good luck though.

Nice.I like where your motor is sitting.I am running mine higher and have mounted it with the FB rx7 front cover.I like the lower tie bar idea tho.Mine is stock still.Moves good with just minor mods to it tho.Yours single or extended cab?

Single cab. Ill get some pics up soon of the rest of the truck.

what are you doing for a tranmission

FC n/a at the moment, but it will be a B2600 trans when I put in the other motor for it Ill soon be building.

He can use a B2200 tranny but its very close geared.I know I have mine in 3rd gear around town.Might have to put a taller LSD in the rear to make up the difference.

The input shaft on my B2200 transmission was about 1/4" longer than the rx7 input shaft. I swapped the bellhousing to the rotary one, and after the trans wouldnt seat all the way on the engine, I measured the input shafts. I just went with the fc transmission then.

Yeah I cut 1/2" off my input shaft.Did you get the beast running?Updates??

Ive been working on getting the new garage up and running, and I need to repaint my protege before I get finished up on the truck. But as it sits, its waiting for an intake manifold, Im thinking TII port matched to the 6 port block, then wire and plumb it. Not too much work left to do, I just have some more pressing projects to get out of the way first.



Ive also found a complete B2600 4wd driveline I want to pick up as well. Its basically the TII trans with a different bellhousing, and a short 1st and 5th gear. Then the 4wd will make way for more power down the road, maybe even a modest PP with a turbo... That would surely bruise some ego's. Lots of hp, 2700 lbs and 4wd launches...

I had one with a 13B Haltech.Never got to 4th...much less 5th.

Hi, looking at getting a b2000 later this year as a daily driver and tow car for my drift car. The truck will also be used for a bit of drifting until the proper BMW drift car is ready.



Just seeing this build makes me pretty confident it won't be much trouble. My idea is to buy an entire turbo FC, take the stuff I need then scrap the rest, so would I be OK to use the turbo FC gearbox or is there a difference between the n/a and turbo in terms of swapping the back end of the gearboxes? (look forward to seeing your FAQ on this).



Also, did you just use the core 13b or did you use the mounts from that? I'm not sure how it all works but where your custom mounts hit the body, is that supposed to be an engine mount in the truck - or is that used for just the lower brace normally?



Cheers, I will carry on researching - good luck https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.gif

The turbo trans will require a new tranny crossmember, or at least modifying the stock one to bolt to the TII transmission. It may be possible with some mixing and matching of trans mount parts, but only time will tell. I do have a TII trans I will be swapping into the truck, but first I wanted to get it running with the n/a trans(and have the mounts made for that) so I could sort out any problems that may arise.



My mounts replace the mounts on the engine, and truck. There is no provision for a rubber mount like stock, but rotaries run smooth enough it wont be much of an issue. Its not going to ride like a lexus, but then again, what 20 yr old truck will. My mounts bolt to the frame where the lower brace does, but that location is easily strong enough to support the engine as well as the suspension loads.



Also, what I do the TII trans, I will be making another set of mounts, and probably a custom trans mount(unless it can be done easily with OEM parts). These mounts will be designed more towards people who are modding the engine. It wont be as straight of a bolt-in as my mounts using the n/a trans, but by simply using the TII trans, you will need more custom work anyways. The driveshaft is different, although the B2600 driveshaft may work, as it uses a transmission thats very close to the TII trans.

That's great, thanks for the insight. I don't mind engine vibration but was just wondering. I guess I will just have to try it out for myself and just pick up what I can from you and anybody else I've found doing it/done it. I know that I can get driveshafts easily modified locally anyway, as a friend got his shortened with a different end put on, so if I got the entire FC donor then it would be easy enough.



Cheers https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.gif Good luck with finishing this one I look forwards to seeing how it turns out! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.gif

HOW IS THIS PROJECT DOING AND WHAT BECAME OF THE T2 TRANNY

Project is on hold pending finishing up a few other projects. Probably 2 more weeks and Ill be back to work on it.

?- do you think i would have to upgrade to a TII tranny. i have a 89b and its getting a 1991 turbo ingine with microtech emc using gsl se injectors?

It depends on how you drive. You will be pushing the limits of the transmission, but if you arent abusive to the trans, like shifting hard, burnouts, drag racing, etc you will be fine.

so if you use a FC na trans you can use the stock driveshaft?

nevermind i re-read the original post.

whats the latest on the b2200 project? what kind of intake mani were you going to use, also what kind of ecu are you going to use?

updates?! i got a 92 b2200 and a spare 13b so ill be buyin some of those motor mounts off you soon

first post on this site, just doing some research and reading up on other b2200 rotary swaps, currently stripping my '88 b and dropping a 13bt into er. plans are to have er runnin by summer, expect to see this truck on the drift circuit shortly after. any tips you could throw my way would be much appreciated.

Cheers,

Cbacon69

looking at possibly getting a Mazda B2200 this weekend and loving the idea of a 13b swap. Do you still have these mounts available? I know its been a several months since you posted i this thread.



Also i dont think i saw anything about wiring or tuning ....

Yes, the mounts are still available. You can order them on my site(click my sig), or just PM me to arrange payment.



I redesigned the mounts a little while back, for better fitment and easier installation. I havent updated my site with the new pics though. Heres one:



https://www.nopistons.com/forums/gal..._214_11220.jpg

More on this please! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/ohmy.gif

Theres a lot of info on the net about mazda transmissions and for the most part, theres only 2 different types of manual trans for the rwd mazda vehicles from the 70's through the mid 90's, and beyond in the case of the miata. The sa/fb/na fc/rwd 626/b2200/miata all use the M series trans, while the rx2, 3, etc/fc TII/B2600/fd all use the R series. Gears are interchangable within a series, and the input shaft diameter and splines are the same within a series. Bellhousings are specific to each engine family, but are interchangable. The rotary transmissions have a shorter input shaft, so you will either need to swap input shafts, or run a spacer between the trans and engine to use a trans that was originally behind a piston engine. Another option is to grind down the input shaft, mazdatrix has done it successfully.



http://www.solomiata.com/Drivetrain.html

http://www.mazdatruckin.com/B2200/Transmission.html

Ill gladly send you the old version back unused for the newer version.

sup guys new to the site but looking for motive fab's mounts and can't find them on the web at all? did they tank? really hope not; wanna drop a 13btt (fd motor) in my b2200. any and all advice is definitely appreciated! thanks in advance!





Merc

The mounts are still available, despite the website being down. I changed servers, and am redesigning the site. PM me if you want a set.

will those mounts even fit the fd motor?

No, they wont. But Im working on mounts for the REW, as well as redesigning the s4-s5 13b mounts to have more ground clearance for lowered trucks.

The new mounts are done for series 4/5 engines. These mounts do not affect the ground clearance like my previous ones. The mounts still replace the lower tie bar, but now the loads on that tie bar are spread over a stiffening plate between the engine and oil pan that also doubles as an oil pan baffle. Comes with all hardware and 2 oil pan gaskets.



http://motivefab.com/wp-content/uplo...ounts-ver3.jpg



You can order them from my website with paypal, or PM me if you want to make other arrangements.

i will be ready to buy as soon as i commit to a freaking engine. well when i find one thats worth a **** that has good compression, ill hit u up for mounts..



looks like good stuff man...

can vouch for a quality product..



mounts look great adam!

Did you ever get around to modding tranny mounts? From the looks of it, I might be able to cut up a piece of metal that'll come from the crossmember towards the front of the vehicle in order to reach the mount on the TII tranny. I already took the saws-all to the cab so the gearshift will actually be in the cab.



I can't remember if you said you were using the turbo, but if you aren't do you know what other people have been using for turbos and intake manifolds that'll fit with clearance for the hood? I found the headers to use instead of the exhaust manifold, so that'll help.



On my project, I've got the engine mounted, figuring out what to do with the tranny and I know where to get a custom driveshaft in Austin. I need to wire up the engine, but can't find new connectors and pins for the new harness since the ones on the old harness broke off from being old and crappy. So, the accessories on the front and the throttle tank (I think that's what it's called, I don't have the manual handy) are pulled off to allow me running the new harness. That, or I'm going to have to bust out a couple hundred bucks for a harness to cut up. I still need to put in the new pedals, but I need to pick up an angle grinder because two of the bolts mounting the old brake pedal are for some odd reason welded in and I don't have room to drill the heads off. And with it, still have to run the lines and install the clutch master cylinder.



Like you, I got caught up with my other project, restoring a '79 F100. That, and I was sent to Colorado for two months and now I'm on leave for a week. I don't think it'll be running by the time I deploy on the 9th.

I avoided the driveshaft, shifter, and trans mount deal completely by using the B series tailhousing on an RX7 transmission. Stock B series shifter, mount, and driveshaft were retained. With a TII transmission, this could be done with B2600 components. With a n/a trans, you will need to use B2200 components.



As for your wiring dilemma, I hope you arent going to run the stock ecu. Id highly recommend a standalone, and a Megasquirt is perfect for the DIY type. You will learn so much in the course of getting it together and working. And theres tons of support, so any problems you may run into will probably already be dealt with by someone with clear instructions of how to fix it.

BTW, this project is for sale! click here