Did these intake an exhaust ports today for a customer out in Phoenix, AZ. Have a peek, guys; let me know what you think. Comments and constructive criticism always welcome.



http://bdc.genxracing.com/GarretLievens/index.html



B

Just curious what kind of power would you expect to see with that type of porting assuming that all the peripheral stuff was left fairly stock.



Also, how did you get the ports so shiny. I recently built two motors with almost the same port size, but I couldn't get the ports that polished and smooth.

extremely smooth

I'm just doing medium-grit finishing on it; nothing major and I'm not really polishing it. I'm leaving them slightly rough on purpose per some other things I've read.



I'm not sure how much power that motor will make. I think the owner is planning on using an HKS TO4R so I expect over 400rwhp.



B

Can you post a pic of your porting tools.. If you don't mind...It looks real nice..

B- https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683683.gif , No round edge on the closing edge of side ports or arround the ex-ports.



Air flows arround a radius better than it does a 90 deg angle.



Looks great otherwise. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683473.gif



My 2 cents.



GregW

Here is what I use https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...R#>/unsure.png

god those ports look beautiful. i can't wait to have mine done!!! ahhh i am so excited.

Hi Greg, thanks for the comments. I've thought off and on about making a radius on the closing edge of the side ports, but the reason why I haven't is because I'm not sure if it will make a substantial difference or not. You're right on the 90-degree part; that's why I focus so much effort on the short radius of the port outlet, plus the port tunnel where it transitions into the port outlet. I spent alot of time trying to keep the charge up to speed, avoiding the hard edges the stock casting offers.



What were you recommending again on the exhaust port? I wasn't sure exactly what you meant.



B

I just want to know what you are using to get your ports soo clean man. Great job and definity a inspiration to myself.

Check out this article on airflow from Paul Yaw. You may have already seen it. I'll copy and paste one particular sentence though.



"3. Cutting a large radius on the roof of an exhaust port. (12A, or 13B) A generous radius is helpful if the exhaust port is close to stock size, but if it has been widened considerably, a large radius will absolutely kill the flow. This is one of the most sensitive areas of any of the ports in a rotary engine, and you can lose 10% to 15% flow in a hurry. The difference between a .050" radius, and a .070" radius can easily cost you 25 cfm."



http://www.yawpower.com/Flow%20Testing.html

Hi Fred, long time no talk buddy https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png



B

B.D.C, great port work looks stunning, but have two questions? Why did you not carry the 2mm radius around the exhaust ports and also how come you have not rounded the closing line on the inlet ports as per Itos comments and Lynes comments! it is great to have this site as it is far more informative than any site here in australia they are to secretive here! keep up the great work and information sharing! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

Very nice ports. Mine are about the same size but not nearly as shiny. Good job.

B, nice work as usual

i hope we can see that in old europe soon as well;)

Hey DAT, I didn't round the closing edge of the intake port because I didn't extend the width of the port outlet any. These secondary intake ports were left skinnier on purpose; they have future use as bridgeports. I didn't take any of the iron out towards the inner o-ring land for the purpose of having a thicker bridge for a bridgeport later. Hence, I found no need to round out the closing edge if the side seal is not exposed to the open hole of the port outlet.



B

Looks great as always B.



Keep up the good work buddy!!!

I still "think" every port flows better with a sligt curv on the exit. The air along the port wall is laminar(wants to stay connected to the wall) a slight curv helps it spread out into the chamber better and sling shots the air above it better than a 90 deg turn that just creates vortecies arround its perimiter.



Velocity stacks use the same principal.



Thats what me and DAT are getting at. With or without a BP, with or witout comprimising the side seal, its an added edge over those who dont do it.



You can screw this up though as paul yaw wrote about. Think of the inside air (not the laminar air) like tubing behind a boat. When you make a quick(radius) yet not abrupt(90) turn the tube is going much faster than the boat. If you make a 90 degree turn the boat nearly stops and the tube does the same shortly after. The oppisite happens with a large radius. Not engough sling shot and the air moves slower.



The radus essentailly supercharges the air and it can keep doing so becuse the laminar air has enough velocity becuse of the radius to get out of the way and keep pulling in more air and accelertating it.



Thats how it was explained to me by a guy in Southern MN that has engines he built running in NASCAR.



Like I said though, great work!



https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683473.gif

B, could you please post a pic or a link of the abrasives your using to get that finish consistantly through the port.



I know you posted it onece before but I lost all my links and cant find **** anymore.



Thanks



GregW

Question was answered in earlier post

What post? Can you post the link? I think alot of people can use the info

Love the analogy of tubing behind a boat! And yeah I agree...

B,

looks extremely clean, as always.



Gmon,

great explanation. Love it



CW

these are cheap:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...7305080279&rd=1

i just got a whole setup for $50



it'll be killer for visualising what the air is doing--especially around the port closing edge.



if the closing edge is radiused, and the upper part of the port (closest to the corner seal) is extended just a little beyond the inner part, the air can actually make a little swirl.

Swirl is good, Dave. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif



B

my girlfriend agrees https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png

oh yea, another thing i was playing with is the renesis rotors with the notch on the sides. those really intensify the effect.



as the rotor travels over the port closing edge, the air makes a turn from a rather linear path to going almost straight up. i'll try to get some videos of it--looks almost like the beginnings of a little dust devil.

i got my smoke machine in today https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png



now i'm gonna get some lexan and make a see-through rotor housing so i can watch how the air reacts inside the chamber with the rotor in different positions.

COOL!

can't wait to see ya video

i can't wait to get a camera that will produce a decent video...lol