banzaitoyota

he hasnt even given us the common courtesy of answering what the miracle additive is. and for further reading:

http://www.ford-trucks.com/article/idx/18/...A_Negative.html





another

Dramon_Killer

I'm just saying, maybe if we believed people more often instead of trying to start controversy things would be better off.



People don't always lie you know.



There are good people out there.

Rob x-7

mazdaspeed7

People are too quick to take written word as gospel on the internet. It may not be an intentional lie, just someone who doesnt really know. Why not question what someone says?

ColinRX7

Nobody is making controversy, potential customers have questions.



Leave it at that, thanks.

Il RX8 lI

I'd honestly like to know if it'd work with no adverse effects, if so, I'd be interested.

Lynn E. Hanover

there are some basic compounds that must be included in any lubrication package. The basics include the base oil in close to the correct weight. Detergents and anti scuff compounds (usually based on zinks) and dispersants to keep dirt loose and moving with the oil so that it can be removed by the filter.



Combustion products (sulfers) and mechanical debris, leak past the seals and condense in the water when the engines are shut down. This manufactures sufuric acid and other more vile compounds.



Lubrication oils must contain powerfull chemicals to neutrlize the acids, while not damaging the light alloys in the engine.



There will be a number of chemicals that do nothing but ruin surface tension so that foam will not form.



And most important, the whole package will have some long polymer chains that link up with heat to make the higher number in that 20W50 ID. Where the package is built on 20 weight oil that thickens enough to act like 50 weight oil at operating temperature.



It works. Its cheap to build. Its available everywhere.



So why would we need to add anything at all?



At first we don't. Then we run a while, and produce the acid at a fixed rate based on RPM totals.



Notice that industrial, over the road, off road and aircraft engines must keep track of engine hours used.



Aircraft engines in commercial service must be overhauled at time interevels without regard to actual wear or performance. For example an O470 Continental (470 Cu In-225 HP) may only run 1600 hours between overhauls. If all of the main components are rebuildable, it may cost only $12,000.00 to $16,000.00 to have it done. Anything that happens to that engine, including oil changes goes into an engine log book, that stays with that engine throughout its entire life. The FAA can inspect that log book at any time.



A few years back Citco sold a new aircraft engine oil. It had not enough zink, and hundreds of engines had to be overhauled when the cam lobes started to wipe away.



So if, between oil changes, we can dump in some fresh anti-acid compounds, and some more zink compounds without dumping all of the oil, why not do it? Its done in aircraft. Its done in big trucks and off the road equipment.



So there is a place for between change additive packages.





Lynn E. Hanover

mazdaspeed7

But it all comes back to the basic question here. Is this oil additive just another "snake oil" that will magically make everything better in the engine, or is it proven to provide specific results, or at least containing proven components without a bunch of other junk.



Ive heard of a number of these additives marketed towards cars touting lower friction, better gas mileage, more power, etc. that contain teflon particles, but I havent seen any conclusive evidence to support this. And in addition, if its so good, why isnt teflon used in high performance oils as they come from the factory?

1Revvin7

PTFE machined down to 0.5 micron.

Lynn E. Hanover

Any lubrication product should have attained some level of performance against one or more of the specs normally applied to oils. The API, SAE or MIL-L specs all have been used for years and provide a common

sense review of performance that is the basis for comparisons of any value.



Look at any oil can/bottle to get an idea of what this looks like.



any product will either have the numbers displayed on the container or have the data available on request.



Not havng been tested, does not mean it dosn't work, but does raise a red flag.





Lynn E. Hanover