Bridge port is over rated?
#21
Originally Posted by kuhnke' post='863570' date='Mar 14 2007, 06:29 PM
well it wasent on the internet or my roommates uncles cousin, it was my teacher at school who been doing pro drags for 40+ years, but that is for pistons.
Actually, on piston motors, this is kinda true but it comes from exhaust wave scavenging that happens during valve movement. It is also the same thing that makes people believe that small headers give them low end torque. It does give them torque, but at the massive expense of horsepower in the higher revs. I'll explain more later.
-Maniac
#22
Originally Posted by Boostmaniac' post='863587' date='Mar 14 2007, 11:36 PM
Actually, on piston motors, this is kinda true but it comes from exhaust wave scavenging that happens during valve movement. It is also the same thing that makes people believe that small headers give them low end torque. It does give them torque, but at the massive expense of horsepower in the higher revs. I'll explain more later.
-Maniac
#23
Originally Posted by Boostmaniac' post='863529' date='Mar 14 2007, 02:52 PM
It is amazing how much more mature this forum is compared to the other "evil" forum.
the other one on evil, is quite possibly the dumbest thread ive ever read, and its got plenty of competition.
#24
Originally Posted by iceblue' post='863589' date='Mar 14 2007, 08:49 PM
Simple it is called velocity. The art of tuning exhaust is exhaust gas velocity or velocity pulse tuning. As the rev range is low the volume is down and a smaller diameter pipe is more suitable for higher velocity to induce scavenging. As the RPM's rise the volume is increased thus the pipe diameter must increase to keep velocity high without causing back pressure that causes loss of power. And its low end power not specifically low end TQ, TQ is mostly irrelevant to us.
bingo, I was wanting to add that in but I had just gotten off work and I really wanted to leave. As for the low end power being irrelevant to us, you are basically right, I was just bringing it up because one of the previous posters was talking about someone who had been building motors for 40+ years and I thought alot of his basic thought process on it sounds like a veteran V8 tuner. Nothing wrong with it other than it doesn't apply to us
#25
Originally Posted by j9fd3s' post='863625' date='Mar 15 2007, 06:32 AM
the other one on evil, is quite possibly the dumbest thread ive ever read, and its got plenty of competition.
Yes, the fact that people are still arguing with the proof right in their face is astounding to me.
#26
Originally Posted by Boostmaniac' post='863705' date='Mar 15 2007, 02:31 PM
Yes, the fact that people are still arguing with the proof right in their face is astounding to me.
the fact that theres no real "facts" until like page 15 is kinda funny too.
actually i just looked at it again, and there are 2 people who have dyno numbers, changing nothing but the port. one gained 60 hp, one lost 46 hp.
this tells you a lot. just by those two data points, it should be telling you that the bridge can work, but you need to have a plan of attack, and some skills to make it work.
but really what does "making it work" mean? if you're going racing, you need to look at the rules, and what you're racing against, figure out the powerBAND you NEED, and then build the engine that best acomplishes that.
to just build a half bridge cause it might work is backwards.
you should be saying "i need 400hp, with a powerband from 4000-7500rpms, whats the best way to do it?" or something like that
#27
Originally Posted by j9fd3s' post='863848' date='Mar 16 2007, 08:21 AM
the fact that theres no real "facts" until like page 15 is kinda funny too.
actually i just looked at it again, and there are 2 people who have dyno numbers, changing nothing but the port. one gained 60 hp, one lost 46 hp.
this tells you a lot. just by those two data points, it should be telling you that the bridge can work, but you need to have a plan of attack, and some skills to make it work.
but really what does "making it work" mean? if you're going racing, you need to look at the rules, and what you're racing against, figure out the powerBAND you NEED, and then build the engine that best acomplishes that.
to just build a half bridge cause it might work is backwards.
you should be saying "i need 400hp, with a powerband from 4000-7500rpms, whats the best way to do it?" or something like that
I agree with you, Mike. It ought to be looked at as an overall setup -- what's the goal of the car? What's the best way to accomplish it? Etc. etc.
B
#29
Originally Posted by BDC' post='863859' date='Mar 16 2007, 12:34 PM
I agree with you, Mike. It ought to be looked at as an overall setup -- what's the goal of the car? What's the best way to accomplish it? Etc. etc.
B
Now experimenting and trying new stuff and theory's is one thing but to argue tested already for a setup and then do something blindly is just foolish.
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