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Rotorfreak 05-06-2004 02:15 PM

Hi ppl,



Just got good used houisngs and started the rebuild with my mechanic.... this is our first rotary rebuild.. we r following the manual and Bruce turrentines rebuild video...



The problem is that we r using Rotary aviation 2 piece seals... When we install the first rotor and then lift the eccentric shaft 1 inch to slide the intermediate housing in.. the corner piece of the apex seal pops off... sometimes from one at times from more apex seals... and sometimes its a pain to look for them...



In thev video i noticed that the 3 piece seals that bruce used slid into each other.. what do i do with these two piece seals... Do i need to glue them together.... Its very frustrating...



Please help... I am still on the front rotor.. Will go there in the morning.. Please reply Soon



Also all the corner pieces are supposed to face towards the flywheel right... My mechanic thinks otherwise.. can that be.. i am skeptical cuz in the video it clearly says that all corner pieces apex seals are supposed to face the flywheel...



Please help urgent....

RETed 05-06-2004 02:22 PM

Superglue is your friend.



Yes, triangle assist piece is normally toward the rear of the rotor (housing).

Check the rotor housing for the groove that the tip normally creates.





-Ted

Rotorfreak 05-06-2004 02:29 PM


Superglue is your friend.


Can i do that... Won't it give up with heat and then maybe its particles can create some trouble in the housings... just an assumption... i am a frist time rebuilder.. If this is too stupid a question... https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png



I would love to use super glue thats the easiest way...



thanks

P'cola FD 05-06-2004 02:53 PM

I've always used stock three piece seals, but my motto (when putting an engine back together) is that you can never use too much vaseline. Enough petroleum jelly in the grooves always holds everything in fine for me.

kahren 05-06-2004 02:57 PM

if u put the corner pieces on last before slidign on the middle houing then u can just have the lightly popped up and when the housing goes down they will align themselves, so glue is not neccissary, but as a first time rebuild you might want to puer glue them. they will stay together untill u first crank the motor and then they will break appart and work as they were intended to be.

Rotorfreak 05-06-2004 02:57 PM


Enough petroleum jelly in the grooves always holds everything in fine for me.


Tried it did not work... still pops off... The corner seal of the apex seal...



Am thinking of using super glue now....Should i.. People are telling me that it is ok...

kahren 05-06-2004 02:58 PM

do not press teh corner pieces in because they WILL pop off when th erotor moves aroudn while u ar eputtign in the eshaft and the middle iron, also you have do this procedure very slowly and take your time.

toddp31 05-06-2004 04:50 PM

remember the first time you did apex seals........



Super glue is ok to use, but like karen said take your time and be patient. It is very frustrating untill you get the hang of it.

jspecracer7 05-06-2004 05:21 PM

Use Superglue. Yes it will come apart once the engine is fired up, but the glue isn't there to hold the seals together....just hold the seals together while rebuilding.

Ranzo 05-06-2004 05:36 PM

If you buy Mazda 2 piece seals they are glued together for you already https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif



Just glue them and be done with it.


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