13b-re + 13b Gsl-se Oilpan = Pickup?
03-10-2005, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by wotary' date='Mar 10 2005, 10:02 AM
Now, zcar.com guys... they'll complain about anything that's not nissan in Z!
And a lot that complain about off-year swaps.
For example, a friend of mine is a lurker there, and he's quite outspoken about the idea of putting a L28 engine, or worse a TURBO L28, in a 240Z. Likewise with pulling the 4-speed out and replacing it with a 5-speed. He had to search for years for a decent priced early chassis that wasn't a total rustbucket, or a V8 swap, or a L28 swap. Even turned town a free for the taking L28/5speed combo after he got his car.
I can kind of see his point. The Z cars are one of the few, if not the only, Japanese cars with any kind of restoration and originality following. He likens the sacrilege to taking an old 1.5l Ferrari and putting a 70's 3.3l engine in it. Sure it's the same block architecture, but there's just something wrong about it.
03-10-2005, 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by heretic' date='Mar 10 2005, 04:31 PM
And a lot that complain about off-year swaps.
For example, a friend of mine is a lurker there, and he's quite outspoken about the idea of putting a L28 engine, or worse a TURBO L28, in a 240Z. Likewise with pulling the 4-speed out and replacing it with a 5-speed. He had to search for years for a decent priced early chassis that wasn't a total rustbucket, or a V8 swap, or a L28 swap. Even turned town a free for the taking L28/5speed combo after he got his car.
I can kind of see his point. The Z cars are one of the few, if not the only, Japanese cars with any kind of restoration and originality following. He likens the sacrilege to taking an old 1.5l Ferrari and putting a 70's 3.3l engine in it. Sure it's the same block architecture, but there's just something wrong about it.
For example, a friend of mine is a lurker there, and he's quite outspoken about the idea of putting a L28 engine, or worse a TURBO L28, in a 240Z. Likewise with pulling the 4-speed out and replacing it with a 5-speed. He had to search for years for a decent priced early chassis that wasn't a total rustbucket, or a V8 swap, or a L28 swap. Even turned town a free for the taking L28/5speed combo after he got his car.
I can kind of see his point. The Z cars are one of the few, if not the only, Japanese cars with any kind of restoration and originality following. He likens the sacrilege to taking an old 1.5l Ferrari and putting a 70's 3.3l engine in it. Sure it's the same block architecture, but there's just something wrong about it.
03-11-2005, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by wotary' date='Mar 10 2005, 09:20 PM
Yeah, but you know, the difference between a 250gto and a 240z is that I can wander into a junkyard here and find 3-4 cars readily sitting on blocks. To me a car is only a collectable when you can't find them in the junkyards... like a challenger, charger, 'cuda, etc
We recently called up a junkyard looking for a core engine for a customer.
He laughed and said that they haven't been getting anything older than '03.
Extrapolate that with a standard 2 week turnaround time. That is, after a car has been in the lot for two weeks, it is crushed and hauled away.
It's been hell with my searches for rotary core motors as well. The junkyards figure, if it's an RX-7 then the engine is bad and not worth selling. Should see the laughs when I mention that I don't care if it's dead because I rebuild them. Half of the yards I talked to said that they won't even take them in, the other half said that the cars go straight to the crusher, no stop in the yard, just like all the other "old" (more than 5 years old) cars. No sense in wasting lot space on older cars when you can make more money cutting up newer cars for body shops and the like.
I'd like to walk into a junkyard and see 240Z's to scrounge. Probably would buy the whole cars, as a VIN costs about $1500-2000 here. (That is to say, you buy a car with a worthless shell and a dead drivetrain and shot suspension and no interior, so all you've really purchased is a VIN number) Also would like to walk into a junkyard and see cars on blocks, instead of either so deep in muck that you can't open the doors, or stacked 2-3 high, or both. Heck, I'd like to just walk into a junkyard, most junkyards here are of the "you are not allowed to go further than the waiting room, we pull the parts for you, then charge you 40% of what a new part would cost" variety.
03-11-2005, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by heretic' date='Mar 11 2005, 08:39 AM
We recently called up a junkyard looking for a core engine for a customer.
He laughed and said that they haven't been getting anything older than '03.
Extrapolate that with a standard 2 week turnaround time. That is, after a car has been in the lot for two weeks, it is crushed and hauled away.
It's been hell with my searches for rotary core motors as well. The junkyards figure, if it's an RX-7 then the engine is bad and not worth selling. Should see the laughs when I mention that I don't care if it's dead because I rebuild them. Half of the yards I talked to said that they won't even take them in, the other half said that the cars go straight to the crusher, no stop in the yard, just like all the other "old" (more than 5 years old) cars. No sense in wasting lot space on older cars when you can make more money cutting up newer cars for body shops and the like.
I'd like to walk into a junkyard and see 240Z's to scrounge. Probably would buy the whole cars, as a VIN costs about $1500-2000 here. (That is to say, you buy a car with a worthless shell and a dead drivetrain and shot suspension and no interior, so all you've really purchased is a VIN number) Also would like to walk into a junkyard and see cars on blocks, instead of either so deep in muck that you can't open the doors, or stacked 2-3 high, or both. Heck, I'd like to just walk into a junkyard, most junkyards here are of the "you are not allowed to go further than the waiting room, we pull the parts for you, then charge you 40% of what a new part would cost" variety.
He laughed and said that they haven't been getting anything older than '03.
Extrapolate that with a standard 2 week turnaround time. That is, after a car has been in the lot for two weeks, it is crushed and hauled away.
It's been hell with my searches for rotary core motors as well. The junkyards figure, if it's an RX-7 then the engine is bad and not worth selling. Should see the laughs when I mention that I don't care if it's dead because I rebuild them. Half of the yards I talked to said that they won't even take them in, the other half said that the cars go straight to the crusher, no stop in the yard, just like all the other "old" (more than 5 years old) cars. No sense in wasting lot space on older cars when you can make more money cutting up newer cars for body shops and the like.
I'd like to walk into a junkyard and see 240Z's to scrounge. Probably would buy the whole cars, as a VIN costs about $1500-2000 here. (That is to say, you buy a car with a worthless shell and a dead drivetrain and shot suspension and no interior, so all you've really purchased is a VIN number) Also would like to walk into a junkyard and see cars on blocks, instead of either so deep in muck that you can't open the doors, or stacked 2-3 high, or both. Heck, I'd like to just walk into a junkyard, most junkyards here are of the "you are not allowed to go further than the waiting room, we pull the parts for you, then charge you 40% of what a new part would cost" variety.
go out of town and find the smaller junk yards, they dont' turn cars around at all. I remember seeing 3 rx7s in the small town of Kingston Ontario, canada where I went to for university. I went there to pull parts off a 2nd gen s4 gxl once. I went back 3 years later and it's still the same one sitting there.
03-15-2005, 11:20 AM
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[quote name='heretic' date='Mar 11 2005, 05:39 AM']We recently called up a junkyard looking for a core engine for a customer.
He laughed and said that they haven't been getting anything older than '03.
Extrapolate that with a standard 2 week turnaround time. That is, after a car has been in the lot for two weeks, it is crushed and hauled away.
It's been hell with my searches for rotary core motors as well. The junkyards figure, if it's an RX-7 then the engine is bad and not worth selling. Should see the laughs when I mention that I don't care if it's dead because I rebuild them. Half of the yards I talked to said that they won't even take them in, the other half said that the cars go straight to the crusher, no stop in the yard, just like all the other "old" (more than 5 years old) cars. No sense in wasting lot space on older cars when you can make more money cutting up newer cars for body shops and the like.
I'd like to walk into a junkyard and see 240Z's to scrounge. Probably would buy the whole cars, as a VIN costs about $1500-2000 here. (That is to say, you buy a car with a worthless shell and a dead drivetrain and shot suspension and no interior, so all you've really purchased is a VIN number) Also would like to walk into a junkyard and see cars on blocks, instead of either so deep in muck that you can't open the doors, or stacked 2-3 high, or both. Heck, I'd like to just walk into a junkyard, most junkyards here are of the "you are not allowed to go further than the waiting room, we pull the parts for you, then charge you 40% of what a new part would cost" variety.
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That's weird... I'm on the west coast, and any given junkyard has at least 3 fbs and 3 fcs on hand around here... I pulled the engine crossmember off a 13b gsl-se a few weeks ago, and a waterpump housing off an '88 GTU... most still have engines in them.
I just got back from San Diego, and a HUGE thanks to 13BTNOS for hooking me up with needed parts, he even gave me the needed oil pickup! I felt "at home" too, seeing 2 240zs at his house, haha. Thanks again, Mac!
He laughed and said that they haven't been getting anything older than '03.
Extrapolate that with a standard 2 week turnaround time. That is, after a car has been in the lot for two weeks, it is crushed and hauled away.
It's been hell with my searches for rotary core motors as well. The junkyards figure, if it's an RX-7 then the engine is bad and not worth selling. Should see the laughs when I mention that I don't care if it's dead because I rebuild them. Half of the yards I talked to said that they won't even take them in, the other half said that the cars go straight to the crusher, no stop in the yard, just like all the other "old" (more than 5 years old) cars. No sense in wasting lot space on older cars when you can make more money cutting up newer cars for body shops and the like.
I'd like to walk into a junkyard and see 240Z's to scrounge. Probably would buy the whole cars, as a VIN costs about $1500-2000 here. (That is to say, you buy a car with a worthless shell and a dead drivetrain and shot suspension and no interior, so all you've really purchased is a VIN number) Also would like to walk into a junkyard and see cars on blocks, instead of either so deep in muck that you can't open the doors, or stacked 2-3 high, or both. Heck, I'd like to just walk into a junkyard, most junkyards here are of the "you are not allowed to go further than the waiting room, we pull the parts for you, then charge you 40% of what a new part would cost" variety.
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That's weird... I'm on the west coast, and any given junkyard has at least 3 fbs and 3 fcs on hand around here... I pulled the engine crossmember off a 13b gsl-se a few weeks ago, and a waterpump housing off an '88 GTU... most still have engines in them.
I just got back from San Diego, and a HUGE thanks to 13BTNOS for hooking me up with needed parts, he even gave me the needed oil pickup! I felt "at home" too, seeing 2 240zs at his house, haha. Thanks again, Mac!
03-15-2005, 01:48 PM
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I just got back from San Diego, and a HUGE thanks to 13BTNOS for hooking me up with needed parts, he even gave me the needed oil pickup! I felt "at home" too, seeing 2 240zs at his house, haha. Thanks again, Mac!
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Hey no worries. I'm always glad to help someone out when I can. Hope your project works out for you. Man your gonna have to stop by in a couple of months and you'll get a chance to see that intake put to use. I just got my turbo, microtech, fuel system and a number of other things to get my Datsun 1200 project rolling.
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Hey no worries. I'm always glad to help someone out when I can. Hope your project works out for you. Man your gonna have to stop by in a couple of months and you'll get a chance to see that intake put to use. I just got my turbo, microtech, fuel system and a number of other things to get my Datsun 1200 project rolling.
03-15-2005, 02:46 PM
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[quote name='13BTNOS' date='Mar 15 2005, 11:47 AM']Hey no worries. I'm always glad to help someone out when I can. Hope your project works out for you. Man your gonna have to stop by in a couple of months and you'll get a chance to see that intake put to use. I just got my turbo, microtech, fuel system and a number of other things to get my Datsun 1200 project rolling.
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awesome! Well, my friend Don, the guy that was with me, is getting hitched in november, I think... so that'd be the next time I come down there unless I happen to be there earlier
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awesome! Well, my friend Don, the guy that was with me, is getting hitched in november, I think... so that'd be the next time I come down there unless I happen to be there earlier
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