I found a great spot to start drifting.



Backroads "t" intersection with massive sholders and no ditches...plus no telephone poles https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png



So i started drifting. I tuned my rear shocks super stiff and my front soft, which seemed to make the rear the happiest.



I downshifted to second ~ 5k rpm, cut hard towards the corner's apex to induce oversteer and countersteered while applying the throttle. This seemes to work well and i got a nice slide out of it. Im afraid to go any faster right now for fear of sliding off the road, but i am happy with this level.



any tips on what to do, how to tune the shocks, ect?



ps sorry im a rush right now...

yeah give us some tips https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png

I used to drift in my 240SX in the rain a lot. You guys know the difference between DRIFTING and a POWERSLIDE, right?

Wide, open parking lots. Preferably where the cops don't go by frequently and not close to a residential area.

yes i know the difference. I was not powersliding. I forget what style drift i was trying, but its in the list nemisis posted in the other thread.





Been there done that, had the cops called on me both times :(





LOL watching too much initial D has got me into a drifting mood https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...

Check out Ex-driver if you loved Intial D

will do.



Nobody has any input? Stuff for me to try? comeon guys!!



lets get some traffic into this new forum!!

look for a DVD called "The Drift Bible" from the makers of Best Motoring. it tell you all you need to know. the best DVD to look at if you want to get into driftting https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png

damn its pretty hard to explain.



Everyone seems to be HEAVY into their E-brake GUESS WHAT unless you did some tunning to your e-brake your wasting your time. If you pull your e-brake and your tires dont lock up completely your wasting your time. You dont need your e-brake. I have drifted in my MR2 1991 Turbo about 20-30 events. Track, Open parking lots, Streets, narrow 2 way uphills, downhills, etc.... I never used my e-brake once, just forget it for now.



Learn to control your car. If you come up to say about a 70 deg turn, hit your breaks HARD since im sure we all have ABS, get some speed going before hand, im talking about 35-50mph whatever floats your boat, hit the breaks and power out of it controlling it all the way threw the turn. If you do it correctly you will complete the turn before sticking to the road and throwing yourself to the on coming traffic or you will go off the road, hit a guard rail, or telephone pole. SO I recommend it in a parking lot first. VERY OPEN! learn some control. Its not going to flip.



If you guys want some vids I have 2 buddies that own drift shops here and I can go with them and either drift their car or something or just get some shots.



A lot of vids of Option etc... So a little bit of a straight away and a big burm that several cars end up on. THIS is up near Yokota, havent been there in a couple years, since I got the FD, but thats a popular place to go. PROs, Crazy MO-FOs, and people that like the burm HAHA



I will try to get some vids for anyone that wants to see, I have some that show you how-to vids.



Its just like doing something for the first time though, someone can explain explain explain explain but until you do it yourself you wont know if you can do it or you cant. Some have it, some dont.



I had a great vid of me in the MR2 when I went dicking around at a Drift race. Everyone asked me to do it, I was just watching as I was having engine troubles. So I took the 65s MEATS off my buddys FC and went around the track you can only see me everyone and a while as there was SOOOOO much smoke coming off those bad boys (low speed drifitng) it still smoked like 15 mins after I stopped the race HAHA

nice........ i hope i don't have to drift my mom's miata at the next drift event again...........

Thanks for the tips.



I am not using the parking brake method...id rather learn to control the car without using this.



I am not a 'bad' drifter...im actually pretty good at if (from what i can tell) and have been doing leser forms of powerslides, donuts, ect in parkinglots for a while.



I just grew tired of that and am starting to do some more serous stuff.

rfreeman27---Good way to start. RX7s all gens have a pretty good mind of their own. You have to know when you need to correct, and when to just let go of the wheel sort of speak.



I always liked doing it ont he street late at night here, no cops really and I still do it sometimes.



IMHO speed doesnt matter, and neither does a bunch of mods, even though they do help. My buddy and he use to drift his STOCK Laurel which is like a Maxima and it was an auto HAHA damn that brings back memories haha that was like 5 years ago

Suspension upgrades? Or can an FD handle well without? And what tire setup are most of you using?

If your having trouble spinning it get some bald ones for the rear, if you like smoke too get the at about a 65. CHEAPEST tires you can find.



Stock sus on a FD is a little bit rough (high) so there is a lot of leaning, but you can get it to move, once you do it will sit flat again, just getting it to spin will have it leaning MAD. I havent done it on stock sus in my FD, but I did in the laurel and the MR2

I just tuned the koni's way way stiff in the rear, the tires dont have too much traction now.



I am going to put my stock wheels back on the rear next time. I dont want to kill my s-03's!

Apologies for speling of Japanese names if rong...



You boys would have seen Koguchi in the 'Drift Tengoku' vid? Now to be sure 180's are a superb driftmobile but thats car control! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif

As far as Drift areas go, there aren't many good ones in rural NJ, they're either way too narrow or they're cop infested.



The practice areas for me are these 3 long windy roads I know really well. If anybody follows Intial D(I'm sure most do, I've seen the name on the forum more than a few times ^_~), there's a 6mi run that closely mimics Akina. Best times would be later at night when NOBODY's on the road(duh), or if you're really ballsy, attempt practice drifts after a rainfall.



Parking lots are good but I've been caught a couple times, not fun.



As far as speed is concerned, I never really felt a certain speed I had to be going to go into one. Best tech for me is a 3rd --> 2nd drift, hit the turn at the apex and keep the revs at 4 -5K to keep the rear in check. Of course there's quite a bit of steering involved for me, my drifts are DEFINITELY less than pefect(one had me OFF the road and waiting for a tow truck).



Probably better off taking a road you know like the back of your hand and practicing on a few good turns.



As far as tuning? No idea, lol...I haven't really tuned much on Yuki(yes, my RX7 has a name @_@), all it has is an exhaust, really.

Have a look at this. Very little power, no LSD.

Just take a firm grip on your balls & come in really hot.

Helps that the Mk1 Escort is one of the best tail out cars ever built...



http://www.driftworks.org./footage/AshEscort1.mpg

I dont. What is it?

I'd like to know that too, lol....somebody please tell me the diff?



Then again, if you look at it, Drifting is a powerslide with technique and control, while a PSlide is just whipping your tailend like an ******* and hoping you come out of the turn alive...?



Maybe not. Somebody please fill me in on this.

well a powerslide is like a power over drift... at the exit of the corner you just jam on the throttle to let your tail come out. it is the least effective technique. but if you are just looking for a simple, and i mean extremely simple, technique then go for it. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

I look at it like this:



if you have come in fast enough to flick sideways with trailing throttle before the apex & power out holding the angle, thats drifting



Straight in and power out sideways after the apex is a powerslide

well...as luck would have it, i met a few guys that drift alot. They took me with them to their "spot" and we did some drifting. It was a damn good time, and i plan on going with them again next weekend.

There isnt a difference in my opinion since they are both used by drifters. Holding the drift is known as drifting. if you just hit the gas and spin around, THIS would not be drifting. But if your straring at curb and you ass end of the car is next to you instead of behind you and you hold this, you are drifting.



Drifting is no more then a controlled slide.

I never tried REAL drifting on a dry surface, but here it snows like hell so when an SUV passes through a parking lot, mad fun for cars HEHE. I took the Tempo to those lots all the time in the winter, and used the E-Brake of course. It was fun, but not that fun. The only other time I tried drifting was in a Neon and I again used the E-B. It was raining and I spun it out, but what an adrenaline rush LOL.

Can you explain what happend?



Me and a friend actually have pondered visiting remote parking lots and setting up cones and just messing around.



And I even took both my mr2's at one time (MKII Turbo, MKI NA) to a parking lot in the pooring rain to see how the tires faired when wet...



But I'd always wondered what the cop would say, since nobody is around, and nothing is getting damaged...cept my tires.



Were they more like "Get out of here" or did they give you a "WTF You doing?!" kind of arguement....



What kind of ticket could they threaten you with?

i dont really know what would happen because all of our good lots are now guarded by cops. Id have to say its all the trick of the trade. if the cop is an ass or if he understands for once that u are tryin to keep it legal and off the streets. but id say if u find a good lot and is freed up from cops then have at it.

First time, I got tipped off and left before anything happened.



Second time, The cop stopped me in the parking lot. I toldhim i just got the car, nd wanted to see how it reacted in panic situations. That way if it occured on the street i would know how thw car reacted. He took the story and just said "get outta here" and i left. No big deal.



The problem is, you dont know how the cop is going to react. Mabye he will believe you, mabye not. Thats why its best to not get cought in the first place. I have some new spots that are excellent.

I see. Where in MD? Someday when I get a Rex maybe I'll come meet you and your gang, or just a normal meet, who knows...



But yea, thats what I figured. Just tell the cop you are trying to be legit and not endanger anyone, and its up to him to be a hard ass or understanding...

Im in frederick. North central MD. Not too horrible far. Im going driftgin tonight...this time i will have some in car vids...



should be fun.

Well I went on friday night. I might go out again (sat).



Every time i drift I get better. I am doing it on an industral park road, so there isnt much chance of gettting cought. Truckers were watching us and clapping if we did a good one, it was funny. I spun once into the grass. Scared the crap out of me. The turn has a slight elevation change (down) if you enter it sharply. I hit that, and there was no chance getting control back.



Its getting easier, but its still tough. I put my stock wheels on the back with the **** tires, so it was oversteer happy. (255 s0-3's on the front, 225 **** on the back)



I might go again tonight. I am going to keep the 285's on, because we are going to cruse some mountain passes (its so much like initial D its scarry...except the crazy ass drifting)

as for penelties here, my friend got a wreckless driving ticket for sliding around in a parking lot after a rain.

Here is how I taught myself. First do the power over thing and drift out exiting the corner. Next try to exit and drift earlier and start to drift earlier as well. In mean while try to change speed and line while in the drift and hold the drift off throttle or on brakes, this is when I spun out the most. Last the hard part is to oversteer before going into the corner, that is when I run off the pavement and spun off again. In a lot you can do the big donut to small donut or small donut to big donut. Try figure 8 or couple donuts into figure 8 then some more donuts. Next I tried down shifting while holding the drift, braking and slowing down a lot in a drift. The last recent thing I learned was feint before a drift. I know I had to get choko dories down before I can feint so I spend a morning trying to dori. I think what help me is that I knew I had to have a learning objective every time. I know what I need to learn today so I will try to do it based on how I think it is done. If I am having a hard time and can not see for myself what I am doing wrong I will ask for help from some one who can do it. I spent nearly three hours trying to dori and by after noon I can do it for as long as I want and link it into just about any drift I wanted. Funny thing was that it took me 4 tries to get 360s down and link it into a drift, I thought the 360 into drift would be harder than dories but I was wrong. My next objetive is to start the drift as early as I can and ride the brakes or e brake as hard as I can so I can learn how to slow down from high speed entrance.

Powerslide is when you just stomp the gas through a turn, and the ass swings wide as you exit.



Drift on the other hand, is getting the ass to swing wide before you enter the turn, hold the ass out attitude (the car's attitude silly, not yours), and then power out of the turn relatively straight.



Best tip? Put a cup holder in your car, drive up and down a mountain as fast as you can and don't let it spill. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png



Okay, seriously, just drive your car around in a parking lot and try everything.



Get the car to swing wide using throttle and brake manipulation. The side-brake technique is the easiest to use I think. Try this for a simple one corner drift.



Turn in to the corner, and YANK the hand brake. This should upset rear traction enough, along with the weight transfer with your turn in to get the wheels spinning. YOU ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE APEX YET. Get on the gas smoothly, you're probably gonna wanna heel toe to a lower gear for more torque to keep the wheels spinning. You're gonna want to start countersteering now. The rear of the car has come around, and the countersteer is to prevent you from spinning out. YOU ARE APPROACHING THE APEX NOW. Use smooth modulations of the throttle to adjust the rear of the car, steer the front of the car around the apex. Keep the front wheels pointed out away from the apex dude - the front of the car should still be on the proper racing line. YOU JUST PASSED THE APEX - AND PROBABLY WONT CRASH ANYMORE. You're going to try and get the back of the car behind the car now - steer the front to follow where your rear wheels have been trying to go, and shift back up. The counter-steer puts the momentum of the front wheels back in the same direction as the momentum of the rear of the car, and the upshift brings your rear wheels back in check from all that spinning. YAH BABY! YOU DRIFTED! WOO HOO! go celebrate now before you crash.



That is the newbie style drift in a simple corner.



Drive safe, and SHINY side up. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

oh crap, I forgot, when I said, "YANK the hand-brake" I meant to YANK it hard, and then put it back down. DONT leave it up. hahaha. Just in case someone gets confused.

front wheel drive cars dont drift right?

I don't know if I'd call it drifting in the sense that all the people nowadays call it drifting, but FF cars can get the rear ends loose and slide them around corners. I really don't know too much about it. I just figured you'd have to be coming in REAL hot (fast) into a turn to keep the rear sliding without having any engine torque to keep the wheels spinning in the back.





I've seen cars drifting on rally videos, and I'm sure the cars are FF.



Believe it or not, drifting does actually have a purpose in racing. FR cars often have an advantage over FF cars because you can control both the front and back wheels to turn in a FR car. FF cars can control it to a very limited degree using left-foot braking and side-brakes. By drifting a car, you can control a cars attitude in a turn to set up the weight transfer and momentum for the next turn.



I dunno if drifting is the fastest way around a race track though -- looks cool though. Drifting is great for rally cars because not only are these cars gonna be sliding sideways anyway because of poor traction, but also sliding pushes the cars wheels deeper to where there is more traction. At least thats what the Scandenavian guys say about driving in rallys. :p

Drifting has given me a slight edge in races(yes, street, call me irresponsible >_<) on backroads, especially if the person behind me when I go into one completely FREAKS as I'm kicking around the turn.



As far as speed and time is concerned, does a drift improve your time? Well, yes and no. Depends on the area, I guess....if it was an EXTREMELY tight run with a shitload of very tight, hard hairpin turns, then yeah, it would shave a LOT off, instead of slowing to a near stop and cocking the wheel ALL THE WAY AROUND to take it.



But in a sense, drifting can give you a slower time than just taking the apex, but like I said, it all depends on the area ^_^

you can drift a fwd car, it's just hard to get a fwd car into an oversteering attitude which is pretty much required to get into a drift. You can get hard on the brakes and gas simultaneously which will get the ass end to brake loose thanks to the engine torque countering the front brakes, giving you oversteer (less traction at the rear).

I think that's debateable. A high displacement NA car can catapult out of corners by going slow in, fast out. But it may be more effective for a car that depends on a turbo.