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06-23-2004, 04:28 PM
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I had to look this up to Fax to Mazdaspeed to prove I am indeed racing my RX-7. I printed out the days results and then found this Pax list.
I am not trying to be concieted but I am really proud of getting the winning pax. If you look at the pax times factor my time takes a beating compared to say the Z-06 after me. Its really hard to get an FTD and fastest PAX. I can get an FTD only to loose it to a Sentra SpecV in the pax which is frustrating.
I am car # 278 in 1st place on the Pax.
http://www.cfrsolo2.com/2004/IRCC052304_pax.htm
I am not trying to be concieted but I am really proud of getting the winning pax. If you look at the pax times factor my time takes a beating compared to say the Z-06 after me. Its really hard to get an FTD and fastest PAX. I can get an FTD only to loose it to a Sentra SpecV in the pax which is frustrating.
I am car # 278 in 1st place on the Pax.
http://www.cfrsolo2.com/2004/IRCC052304_pax.htm
06-24-2004, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by TYSON' date='Jun 23 2004, 05:05 PM
By quite a ways too!
The one Cobra owned by Cris Evans is actually the closest to me his raw time is like 0.3 seconds slower he really gets murdered in the pax.
I hate the pax. Its BS. I feel no matter what your drivning its a lot harder to nvagate a course 10 seconds faster. When I Autocross my Mini its like racing in slow motion compared to how fast everything happens in my 7. But, according to the SCCA my 7 is a "better" "faster" car so its just as easy for me to do a 25 second run in it as for me to do a 35 second run in my Mini. I say BS.
06-24-2004, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by treceb' date='Jun 24 2004, 07:16 AM
whats a pax???
i see mazdadrifter is on the list also.
i see mazdadrifter is on the list also.
The SCCA is total bullshit sometimes. I was supposed to be bumped up to A-prepared with the cobras and they dont do it because the cobra guys whine that it messes up their trophies. So they leave me in B-prepared all alone which is wrong.
06-24-2004, 08:00 AM
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Oh and BTW the PAX is a multiplication factor the SCCA has come up with. After you multiply your time against the factor its "supposed" to level the playing field so that everyones times are equal so you can supposidly see the cars listed in their "true" 1st place on order.
06-24-2004, 08:24 AM
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Once I get going I'll be in D-Modified, which is basically open class above 2 liters engine displacement!
At least in autocrossing the only other car I've seen in that class is a Corrado with an VR6 engine swap, that guy is going to get pwned!
Hopefully none of the Civic dudes go out and put a Prelude engine in place of their Integra engines. Or a good driver in a well built Cobra shows up.
But I think I'll have to beat my buddy in his Prelude by 10%! And considering he can set FTD with a 97 Prelude with coilovers and R-comps it isn't likely!
treceb:
PAX is the penalty factor by which autocross and SOLO I attempt to level the playing field and come out with an event overall winner. While Jim set the fastest time of the day and you could consider him the event winner, it is unreasonable to expect a stock diesel Jetta to go out and beat him. So you assign a decimal (PAX) number to the class, and multiply the time each car got by the PAX number for the class. The faster the car is expected to be, the higher the decimal number you multiply by, and the higher your PAXed result time will be.
What tends to happen, and what Jim is talking about, is that fast cars are penalized excessively by this. It is VERY RARE to see a heavily modified car come out on top after the times have been PAXed. Like Jim mentioned, a good driver in a very slow car has plenty of time to plan and react to each corner as it comes, while the same driver in a much faster car has almost no time to think between corners.
PAX factors here in the past have seemed to be set on how the cars would compete on a real race track, IE high horsepower and big suspension mods would cause the car to be MUCH MUCH faster on a racetrack with long straights and high speed corners. While autocrossing that same car is sliding all over because the straights are short and corners much tighter.
I've noticed here this year at least when it comes to modifications on cars such as Civics and Miatas the heavily modified ones are still competitive in the overall, and the bigger faster cars don't even bother, other than for class wins. Canada recently totally revised our classing and PAX numbers for autocross and SOLO I.
You can see from where Jim is, the poor guys in their Mustangs and Camaros get pounded, like they do here, because at some point there must have been some REALLY GOOD drivers in them, and the PAX factors are much higher than the car is capable of overcoming.
At least in autocrossing the only other car I've seen in that class is a Corrado with an VR6 engine swap, that guy is going to get pwned!
Hopefully none of the Civic dudes go out and put a Prelude engine in place of their Integra engines.
But I think I'll have to beat my buddy in his Prelude by 10%! And considering he can set FTD with a 97 Prelude with coilovers and R-comps it isn't likely!
treceb:
PAX is the penalty factor by which autocross and SOLO I attempt to level the playing field and come out with an event overall winner. While Jim set the fastest time of the day and you could consider him the event winner, it is unreasonable to expect a stock diesel Jetta to go out and beat him. So you assign a decimal (PAX) number to the class, and multiply the time each car got by the PAX number for the class. The faster the car is expected to be, the higher the decimal number you multiply by, and the higher your PAXed result time will be.
What tends to happen, and what Jim is talking about, is that fast cars are penalized excessively by this. It is VERY RARE to see a heavily modified car come out on top after the times have been PAXed. Like Jim mentioned, a good driver in a very slow car has plenty of time to plan and react to each corner as it comes, while the same driver in a much faster car has almost no time to think between corners.
PAX factors here in the past have seemed to be set on how the cars would compete on a real race track, IE high horsepower and big suspension mods would cause the car to be MUCH MUCH faster on a racetrack with long straights and high speed corners. While autocrossing that same car is sliding all over because the straights are short and corners much tighter.
I've noticed here this year at least when it comes to modifications on cars such as Civics and Miatas the heavily modified ones are still competitive in the overall, and the bigger faster cars don't even bother, other than for class wins. Canada recently totally revised our classing and PAX numbers for autocross and SOLO I.
You can see from where Jim is, the poor guys in their Mustangs and Camaros get pounded, like they do here, because at some point there must have been some REALLY GOOD drivers in them, and the PAX factors are much higher than the car is capable of overcoming.
06-24-2004, 09:48 AM
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arg! yeah my fastest time was actually a 30.8, which won my class, but then the cone blah blah blah
I'd have a chance at revenge too this weekend but im making another 2000 mile trip to ky and back.
I'd have a chance at revenge too this weekend but im making another 2000 mile trip to ky and back.