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Old 06-09-2004, 12:29 AM
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A friend and I are working on importing some high quality tie rod ends and steering rack spacers for the FC and FD from a company called Supernow!. Any FC drifter learns fast how much the steering angle on the car sucks. My friend put them on his car and the transition from lock to lock is very smooth and greatly improved. The ends themselves are a made from a heim joint and a threaded piece with two lock nuts on top and bottom. So rather than having just one cotter pin you have two lock nuts. The tie rod ends works wonders, and I have heard nothing but good about them. If anyone is scepticle Tony Angelo is running them on his FC right now as a few others, and they love em.



They make 3 different kinds:



1. Tie rod ends (basically a waste)

2. Tie rod ends with spacers

3. Racing type (fully adjustable)



Right now I am trying to work out the pricing for them from SuperNow and the shipping cost to the US. Email me at sikokillr@aol.com or reply here if interested, and maybe if we get enough people we can maybe get a group buy.
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Very very nice.
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and once again the SA & FB guys get nothing!!!!
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Any FC drifter learns fast how much the steering angle on the car sucks.
Comparing the FC steering to the AE86 or S13 / S14, it doesn't get as much steering angle.





My friend put them on his car and the transition from lock to lock is very smooth and greatly improved.
I dunno how you qualify "greatly improved", but all it does is increase steering angle. It does not affect ratio, so it does not steer faster or slower. The bump steer spacers could significantly affect bump steer, but I doubt you're notice this cranking the steering wheel with the car sitting still.



I still think relocating the tie rod end to hub point (which gives you faster ratio and more steering angle) is a much better option than buying these (overpriced) pieces. Sure, you can make your own spacers (there's a thread in here somewhere on that), but Mazdied mentioned only can go 0.3" before you run out of safe threads. This will give you added steering angle, but it doesn't come close to the 45+ degrees we're getting with the relocated tie rod end.





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Originally Posted by RETed' date='Jun 10 2004, 05:34 PM
Comparing the FC steering to the AE86 or S13 / S14, it doesn't get as much steering angle.







I dunno how you qualify "greatly improved", but all it does is increase steering angle. It does not affect ratio, so it does not steer faster or slower. The bump steer spacers could significantly affect bump steer, but I doubt you're notice this cranking the steering wheel with the car sitting still.



I still think relocating the tie rod end to hub point (which gives you faster ratio and more steering angle) is a much better option than buying these (overpriced) pieces. Sure, you can make your own spacers (there's a thread in here somewhere on that), but Mazdied mentioned only can go 0.3" before you run out of safe threads. This will give you added steering angle, but it doesn't come close to the 45+ degrees we're getting with the relocated tie rod end.





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Yeah sorry they are only availbe for the FD and FC...



Still even the 86's, s13/14 steering angle is bad, the FC is just that much worse.



The first few times my friend drifted his FC he could not drfit the car from corner to corner because of the limted steering angle. Also the wheel would not kick back fast enough becasue of the nature of the stock tie rod ends. Since he installed the the transition from lock to lock is alot easier to control and one handed drifts are alot easier to do because of the smoother transition.



I am not forcing anyone to buy these, I am just ordering and seeing if anyone else is interested and if your tie rod ends are shot then you still need to get new ones, which I think run around $130-150 for both. Besides, relocating the tie rod end to hub point cannot be done by everyone, and it still does not provide you with the adjustablity.
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130-150 $US??

does anyone have any idea of any agents in Australia that is selling a these products....a few fc ppl are interested in this kit



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Originally Posted by Rotaman X' date='Jun 10 2004, 08:11 PM
130-150 $US??

does anyone have any idea of any agents in Australia that is selling a these products....a few fc ppl are interested in this kit



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Let me Clarify that, its $130-150 for the new OEM tie rod ends. The super nows are anywhere from aboiut $250-300, but I am waiting to find out exact pricing....
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Originally Posted by '79rx7' date='Jun 10 2004, 03:11 PM
and once again the SA & FB guys get nothing!!!!
You really should get rid of that recirculating all steering!





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Originally Posted by eyecandy' date='Jun 10 2004, 06:21 PM
Yeah sorry they are only availbe for the FD and FC...



Still even the 86's, s13/14 steering angle is bad, the FC is just that much worse.



The first few times my friend drifted his FC he could not drfit the car from corner to corner because of the limted steering angle. Also the wheel would not kick back fast enough becasue of the nature of the stock tie rod ends. Since he installed the the transition from lock to lock is alot easier to control and one handed drifts are alot easier to do because of the smoother transition.



I am not forcing anyone to buy these, I am just ordering and seeing if anyone else is interested and if your tie rod ends are shot then you still need to get new ones, which I think run around $130-150 for both. Besides, relocating the tie rod end to hub point cannot be done by everyone, and it still does not provide you with the adjustablity.
300 thousandth of an inch is as far as I would go, (RE Ted knows that is more than most people would dare think That left me about 3 threads on the inner tie rod. The shim can go thicker but the rack runs out of teeth so there is no point to go further. Basically a 300 thousandth thick shim or washer is all you need to get the most lock out the rack with out cutting additional teeth. Side to side dories definitely can be done with out any rack mod. I would say relocating outter rod end location is the best way, but unlike most other people I have my weird preference on FC and I actually like a slower steering ration over the quicker ones. I don't know Ted may be I have to stop by Hawaii and drift the car with you guy's mod.
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Ok, I FINALLY got some type of pricing, although I am not happy with them and trying dilegently to work out some type of better deal with them. Right now the prices look like this:



All prices include shipping from Japan and will arrive in your house 10-14 days. The prices are also rough estimates due to changes in exchange rate.



Street Type

FC3S $235

FD3S N/A



Street with Spacer

FC3S $255

FD3S $275



Racing Type

FC3S $310

FD3S N/A



Racing Type with spacers

FC3S $330

FD3S $365



I would appreciate it if you are seriously interested in these to email me so I can present them with how many we might be purchasing at one time to get a better deal. My email is sikokillr@aol.com
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