Since early 60s People have been Using Hydrogen to Fuel Engines.



We all know that Methane burns slow. It would not really be a good fuel to burn alone. It is a Dirty fuel. But with Hydrogen and its burn rate 10 times faster than gas. And will get you nearly ten times farther.

it will Combust the Methane faster then By itself. I have been Doing some research on other fuels. And after a Long time Found a video on youtube that got leaked. this video was a $50 from the owner Roy mcalister in Arizona.

I found some amazing facts of this video. and the guy seems very trust worthy. this video is like 120 minutes. slow in some parts but amazing. they will take you on a drive in a real Hydrogen geo metro. (didn't cost a million dollars either) infact the tanks hoses and lines + regulators, The cost is like 1500-2000 MAX to make your car a Hydrogen car.(at 50 cents a gal EQ) You may ask where can i get Hydrogen fuel. well Isnt it od No one talks about that. Well thanks to our Government and cover Ups. and Killings of people that have got there car to run on water No one can get the word out.. But thanks to Email, Youtube and groups i say we will have the word spread faster than ever... If you Dont beleive the coverups and the Killings our government has commited to Keep Big oil in bussiness then take a look at the First Video. That will change your Mind.. There is no reason to be running on gasoline anymore. I will put the video with Roy Mcalister in also. Spread the word...





Prax air Sells Hydrogen. Not only that But most anything you need. There are a few praxairs Localy.. I see the future of prax air is going to be rich. Stocks are already rising. And might Explode.

No pun Intended.

and You can make Hydrogen at home and pressure it up Into your tanks..

Methane Hydrogen mix is amazing. Check out these VIDS



"Stan Meyers car that runs on water" Killed by our government

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8stApCmxYEM



http://youtube.com/watch?v=PDJ2DdCZlOk

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Roy Mcalister of Arizona..... Been using Hydrogen for 45 years..

On you tube "Engine Fundamentals" #1-#10 I posted the First part. you need to watch all ten.. they are all listed on youtube Under Engine Fundamentals.. the first few videos are more Info than flashy test drives or Equipment testing. thats on the ending videos

Sweet. I have been waiting for this.



I have heard that rotaries are well suited for hydrogen https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.gif



If any of you motor heads wanna come up with a "hybrid conversation kit" that would be baller. I know that there are three rx-8's driving around in japan somewhere that with the flip of a switch can go to regular gasoline to hydrogen. I'm no environmentalist (None of us are, we drive rotaries^^) but I am not out to pollute either. And at .50 a gallon, with all the gas that my FD sucks, hydrogen at the flip of a switch would be nice.

sorry guys, dosen't work. wish it did.

water is not a good fuel because it has already been burned( oxidized hydrogen)

the process of seperating the hydrogen back out always takes more energy than you get by burning it.(period)

The idea of powering anything with water is well.... like eating a turd and expecting to gain weight. The fuel is already spent.

Now, using hydrogen as fuel is a great, you just need alot of electricity to make it. The key is getting cheap electricity, not finding new ways to split water. Any devise that trys to split the water before it enters the engine will end up using more energy to process the reaction than you will get out by burning the fuel. Maybe invest in some long extension cords. BTW i did enjoy the videos.

Wow you are going to eat your words. you are behind in the times. I smell a government employee right here! I dont beleive i am hearing this. Its not how much power it takes. its how the power is used. 1amp at 20 cycles a second make more burnable gas than what it takes to make it. its all in the MHZs

Sorry but a few things bothered me with the responce..



water is not a good fuel because it has already been burned( oxidized hydrogen) HUH?



the process of seperating the hydrogen back out always takes more energy than you get by burning it.(period)

Back out?

Like i put the Hydrogen in the water myself? i dont get it



The idea of powering anything with water is well.... like eating a turd and expecting to gain weight.

LMAO OH OK



you just need alot of electricity to make it.

You sure about that? what is alot? there are working Hydrogen genoraters working 24-7 at some college making the electricity and hot water for there class rooms.. its been proven to work

I ment 20,000 cycles a second, sorry about that

so. if I use your method.. I amp at 20 cycles to produce burnable gas.. Pump the gas into my rx. My rx has a bicycle generator to power up the machine to make more hydrogen fuel. I just add water to it now and then to take me and princess to the store and back. While we are in the store we can leave the machine on (powered by the car battery) and have alittle extra juice to shoot some flames back at kettleman. When we get home , I plug it into the battery charger and garden hose, let it barbecue those steaks we just picked up,,, nothing better than flame broiled steaks.

My method for fueling my car. It not only powers my rx, but cleans up the environment too. I call it the dynosaur liquification process.I still have a few bugs to work out(dyno population is down), but until then we can use yappy dogs, horses and all the ex-wives we can scrounge up. Gotta run it at night though(Happily married couples complain about the smell)

Well lets say for a second Hydrogen cost more to make than what it puts out. It is still the Fuel of the future. Its clean. You clean the air when you are driving. then finealy when ever they get around to puting them on Jet liners they can start cleaning up the Mess they made in the sky. Its funny how they blame global warming on cars more than they do on airplanes.

there are like 10,000 planes in us airspace at anyone time. burning 200,000 gallons. To be honest i forgot how much fuel lets say a 747 can hold. I will have to check on my flight simulator. But at anyrate they are burning fuel High up at 30k or 40,000 feet and most of it just stays up there. I think planes burn almost as much if not more fuel than cars down here.. At least some of the car polution is eaten up by plants and **** down here at ground leval... But i will be honest i Like the Hydrogen/methane/propane idea More for how it is cheaper to use and i can drive around and travel for cheap rather than saving the earth. I mean i would like that too. but i will hope to be long dead before the earth catches fire lol

Hydrogen is great,, it just dosen't occur naturally,, you have to make it. You use electricity to make it. Electricity comes from mostly fossil fuels. Essentually you are still burning gas when you use hydrogen.





Think of an engine, fueled by hydrogen, powering a generator, using electrolisis to make hydrogen to fuel the engine. (just add water)



sorry dosen't work

Oh dont forget about solar power thats free and clean too. and dont forget the dams. they make clean power also. So not all electricity is dirty. thats just narrow minded

Ok lets say right now it doesnt work. Does that mean it will never work someday? Or like the sound barrier it cant be broken. said like 60 years ago.



Well maybe it did work! And people that came forward got killed for it. You said it wont work period. as in ever? thats just narrow minded. Its people like you back 108 years ago that said people cant fly. If they Listened we would have never tryed i guess. and we would have never invented the airplane.

I would love to run my car on yappy dogs. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/happy.gif



If hydrogen is 50 cents a gallon thats good enough for me but like ethanol it takes more fossil fuel to make then it burns. Solution? Nuclear power! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/happy.gif



Everyone has their opinions. Fall out has got everyone in a scare so I don't think thats gonna happen any time soon. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...R#>/unsure.gif



A lot of the taxis and buses around here are running on natural gas now. No more of that gross bus smoke. wonder how that stuff does. Anyone know about it?



And there is no global warming epidemic. We have not brought Armageddon upon ourselves. Yes, Los Angeles air does burn my eyes but we are not going to fry ourselves due to burning fossil fuels. I wish people would stop freaking out about that and spending so much of MY tax dollars on it. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/wacko.gif We could improve our quality of life with cleaner air but America really isn't the problem.



meh politics.

I goofed big time. the link didnt come through for the whole reason i posted this thread. not sure why it didnt show. but this is the real reason i posted





Roy Mcalister of Arizona..... Been using Hydrogen for 45 years..

On you tube "Engine Fundamentals" #1-#10 I posted the First part. you need to watch all ten.. they are all listed on youtube Under Engine Fundamentals.. the first few videos are more Info than flashy test drives or Equipment testing. thats on the ending videos



http://youtube.com/watch?v=hFifFR-4C28 must watch

Al Gore's Gulf Stream 10 burns more gas in a month than any average american will in their whole life. **** Al Gore and all the fake ass politicians who cry cover up. You want to help? Stop flying...

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Al Gore's Gulf Stream 10 burns more gas in a month than any average american will in their whole life. **** Al Gore and all the fake ass politicians who cry cover up. You want to help? Stop flying, then bomb China and India who polute more in a week then the US will in a year. Help global cooling and drive a rotary.

https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683827.gif Yeah its a crying shame all the B.S here in the states. **** both party's in the goat ass. There all a bunch of lying douche bags out for there own glory and money.

I did a lot of research 2 years ago about hydrogen. Hell I made it in my kitchen with a power supply, baking soda, water and steel wool. Be verrrry careful what metals you use here as the wrong ones will make some of the nastiest chemicals on the planet!! My girl friend at the time FREAKED OUT when I was igniting the bubbles!! Thought I had made a hydrogen bomb and was going to set it off in the kitchen!! Ha Ha, great X memory!

Problem with using it as a "combustion enhancer" is the hydrogen burns too fast. So you get a small detonation igniting the gasoline for a better burn and using up too much O2, not to mention all the internals need a ceramic coating or the hydrogen will seep into the metal making it extremely brittle. Broken apex seals you say? pfffft try rotor and housings!!! Trying to time a pure hydrogen engine is a real task but definitely possible. There was a guy here in the NW who used a modified plasma cutter to power his F150, only problem was getting the "supply and demand" thing ironed out, it hauled ass WOT but I think he gave up.

I am with you 100% hydrogen is a better way to go as far as fuel is concerned. Solar power makes it for free (almost) and that knowledge has been put on the back burner for too long.

Thank you! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.gif

Although it doesn't apply to our engines per say... What are all the tree-hugger's opinions on converting diesel engines to run on vegetable oil? Being a commuter and having kids has opened my eyes a little bit towards more efficient vehicles, but mainly as a way of saving money on the cost of travel (although if it is actually saving the planet for my children then that is cool also).

I think the government also requires the hybrid vehicles to look ugly as sin to deter people from buying them LOL!

There are many ways to make engines that run on gasoline more efficient, but more efficient engines mean less money in oil companies pockets. As usual it comes down to the mighty dollar.

This is off topic but I always wondered why Mazda didn't design the rotary engine as a direct-injection engine. I know it would be more complex than what I have in my mind, but wouldn't it be possible to have an injector in place of the trailing spark plug and just amplify the ignition system?

It is not hard to time an engine running on Hydrogen. its almost top dead center... That gives way more power and less heat get more for you money, BTW Hydrogen is good for use with Methane . I never did like the idea of burning Hydrogen with the gas idea. i see it all the time. Hydrogen cells pumping into the intake of cars burning gas. They are just not ment to burn together. The hydrogen with gas does not really make the burn a hydrogen Event. the hydrogen is gone long before the power stroke

rmriggin: direct-injection has really only recently become feasible, since it requires very accurate injection patterns to create the proper charge stratification. Mazda has been researching it and rumor has it the next-generation Renesis may be direct-injected. Direct-injection actually works wonders on rotaries in particular due to the turbulence in the combustion chamber. I read somewhere (I could find you the link if rx7club's lounge weren't currently missing) that direct-injection can yield a 15-20% increase in fuel economy and similar increases in power over conventional fuel-injection on rotaries.



FC/DC: Well, I'm a little skeptical about hydrogen as a fuel. Why? The energy density sucks. You can't get around the laws of physics. Even liquefied, hydrogen's energy density by volume is around a quarter what gasoline's is (I won't even go into exactly how feasible storing liquefied hydrogen in a car is, nor the amount of energy the liquefication process takes). This means that range is low, power is down (the Hydrogen RE RX-8 makes less than 120 HP on hydrogen, and then only for 62 miles), and filling up and storing the fuel is difficult. Also, here's a fun link for you to ponder: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_embrittlement



Here's my version of this thread: "Why buy gas? Go electric." Sure, the batteries are bulky right now, but there has been some really impressive stuff being shown off recently with ultracapacitors and whatnot. It's cleaner than hydrogen, no high-pressure storage tanks, ridiculous and quiet power, better range, and much, much higher overall energy-delivery efficiency. And the infrastructure is already there: just plug it in at the end of the day and you'll be charged up and ready to go in a few hours.