FM TUNING in Spokane is a joke you have to see
03-14-2009, 06:47 PM
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well i am rebuilding a customer car here in seattle wa i have been doing some builds for years now and i keep getting people coming from this guy JESSE who has a shop out of his garage called FM Tuning. i have yet to see a running motor come out of this shop. well i keep getting distressed customers that feel like they have been ripped off and they have been. i just got done tearing down a motor today built by them and this is what i found
* the rotor bearings were not pressed in far enough
*the apex seals were used and had a horrible edge on them like a razor it was put in backwards so just the very tip was touching the housing i have posted a example in the drawing.
* one coolant seal was pinched and coolant was leaking into the intake chamber
*and one housing is flaking on the edge in the combustion area
* the ports are ported in such a pointless way leaving all edges and obstructions.
* the exhaust was said to be a street port also lol well looks to me like it was touched once on the side and just left to be.
*The apex seals are also not shiny at all on the tips they are all dipped and corroded from id say rust.
* the rotors were put in the wrong way so the oil slings near the rotor bearing was not slinging any oil.
well i am just tired of this happening. people here in my town and i want everyone else to see what you think of all this. this motor was claimed to be a reliable turbo motor and it never did run for the poor guy. so here are some pics of this so called tuner shop and what they do out of their garage. they use all used parts and claim they are the ****.
* the rotor bearings were not pressed in far enough
*the apex seals were used and had a horrible edge on them like a razor it was put in backwards so just the very tip was touching the housing i have posted a example in the drawing.
* one coolant seal was pinched and coolant was leaking into the intake chamber
*and one housing is flaking on the edge in the combustion area
* the ports are ported in such a pointless way leaving all edges and obstructions.
* the exhaust was said to be a street port also lol well looks to me like it was touched once on the side and just left to be.
*The apex seals are also not shiny at all on the tips they are all dipped and corroded from id say rust.
* the rotors were put in the wrong way so the oil slings near the rotor bearing was not slinging any oil.
well i am just tired of this happening. people here in my town and i want everyone else to see what you think of all this. this motor was claimed to be a reliable turbo motor and it never did run for the poor guy. so here are some pics of this so called tuner shop and what they do out of their garage. they use all used parts and claim they are the ****.
03-14-2009, 08:29 PM
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Judging by your pics and description of the seals, they appear to not be oem seals but the world famous steel housing eaters..The seal pic there is no chamfer on the bottom of the seal...
They were using 6 port irons in a turbo motor build?
Love the porting, totally pointless...
They were using 6 port irons in a turbo motor build?
Love the porting, totally pointless...
03-15-2009, 12:15 PM
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Honestly, I find it hard to believe that Jesse had anything to do with parts shown. Ive seen how Jesse builds engines. The only way Jesse would ever use, used crappy parts is if the cheap person building the engine insists on using them. Ive known Jesse to only want to use the best parts possible, perferably new.
You say you keep getting people from FM tuning. Have they had any problems? and if so how come your the only one complaining.
I just hate to see someone bashed without proof in hand, besides a couple of pictures, especially you being new with only one post.
NATHAN??????? IS this you
You say you keep getting people from FM tuning. Have they had any problems? and if so how come your the only one complaining.
I just hate to see someone bashed without proof in hand, besides a couple of pictures, especially you being new with only one post.
NATHAN??????? IS this you
03-17-2009, 09:42 AM
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The engine he built for me ran great till it swallowed a washer from something I did.
In any business regardless of product or service there is an average of 5% falure rate, this has been the standard that most busnesses strive for. Alot of the things people here about any business is negitive because people are louder when the complane than when they are statisfied with something. I always try and keep this in mind when I here bad things about a business.
In any business regardless of product or service there is an average of 5% falure rate, this has been the standard that most busnesses strive for. Alot of the things people here about any business is negitive because people are louder when the complane than when they are statisfied with something. I always try and keep this in mind when I here bad things about a business.
03-17-2009, 11:14 PM
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Well I had a huge post on rx7 club but it got deleted right after I posted because ben shut the thread down. Thanks to those that spoke on my behalf. I know that the engine I built for that guy was crap. I told him that the stuff he wanted to use was crap and wouldn't work. But being given two blown motors and 250 bucks for bearings, gaskets and pay for me, you do the math and see that I made no money on this build. The intakes were already ported, I just cleaned them up. Also I was going to port the exhaust on the six port housings. But since the turbo housings were used it wasn't needed and the customer was told this.
As Greg and Allen both said they have no problems. Allen having a bone stock motor and Greg having a blown half bridgy. The original poster has already been exposed for being a dumb **** and a liar, just seeking somewhere to cry because he sucks at life and trying to pass his blame on to me.
Which leaves me to my last point. Since we all know who the origanal poster is, I'd like to let you all in on the behind the scene story. This motor was originally a homemade turbo set up by him, and while doing so he dropped a fuel hose clamp in the motor which caused lots of oopsies, which my photos will show. So after this the customer came to me and I tried the best I could with what I had to work with since he would not buy new parts. Now this same customer is back to the guy that originally fucked it up and trying to point the blame my way. We in this area all know the truth, which I have proven to be true for years. So to ofnarx7 I say UBER FAIL! Better luck next time douche. If you're gonna be a liar, at least don't be belligerent about it.
ok so here is a link to the photos of what I found in the motor that had a hose clamp in it and you tell me how to make a perfect motor from this with 250 bucks!
http://s734.photobucket.com/albums/ww345/nbab4life/
As Greg and Allen both said they have no problems. Allen having a bone stock motor and Greg having a blown half bridgy. The original poster has already been exposed for being a dumb **** and a liar, just seeking somewhere to cry because he sucks at life and trying to pass his blame on to me.
Which leaves me to my last point. Since we all know who the origanal poster is, I'd like to let you all in on the behind the scene story. This motor was originally a homemade turbo set up by him, and while doing so he dropped a fuel hose clamp in the motor which caused lots of oopsies, which my photos will show. So after this the customer came to me and I tried the best I could with what I had to work with since he would not buy new parts. Now this same customer is back to the guy that originally fucked it up and trying to point the blame my way. We in this area all know the truth, which I have proven to be true for years. So to ofnarx7 I say UBER FAIL! Better luck next time douche. If you're gonna be a liar, at least don't be belligerent about it.
ok so here is a link to the photos of what I found in the motor that had a hose clamp in it and you tell me how to make a perfect motor from this with 250 bucks!
http://s734.photobucket.com/albums/ww345/nbab4life/
03-18-2009, 03:16 PM
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dude dont be dumb and say i built that motor i have never done any turbo kits for anyone at all EVER i have built blocks for people out of town not in town and for your info i didnt have anything to do with any fucked up rebuilds ever, have them call me and tell me who they are and what car they have that i messed up cuz i haout thats all. yes i can understand he has no money and wanted to cut corners but there is a stopping point and a line that should not be crossed. i have nothing againsed you or anyone else i just like to help people out thats all i have ever done, thats why he went to you cuz i did not have time and i told him a astronomical price just so YOU got the chance to do his motor. as for my life no it does not suck you dont know **** i have a beautiful boy a great woman a 5 bedroom house that i own and my dream car 93 rx7 that i bought mint, as well as my career as a diesel mechanic. dont say things like that cuz you have done worse in your life that i wont bring up cuz everyone makes mistakes. i will say it again i have nothing againsed you at all but matt should have not been ignored and if you needed parts to make it right then i have them jsut sitting there making dust that i will give to anyone anytime. as for this motor that i turbod that has a hose clamp in it lol i have only turbo'd my car thats the silver car that i sold to my good friend that sits in his garage and my fd thats in my garage. plus i dont think anyone who would rebuiuld a motor for anyone dont car who rebuilds it but a hose clamp is not needed at all for assembly its someone who reinstals the motor in the car that drops **** down the intake. i know you can build a block and yes allan is right every shop messes up but they try to make it right and they answer if the person calls when in destress. well i hope this sums it up i still have nothing againsed u or anyone i just believe we all can get along and work together to make sure everyone is treated equal we have a lot of parts between all of use and alot of knowledge between all of us along with this small shitty town..
03-18-2009, 03:21 PM
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i looked at your pics also... well how does a hose clamp go into the stationary gears and mess those up and the engine still runs then jumps to the side of the rotor? thats not possible for that engine to run for 3 days looks like not a builders fault but someone taking a intake manifold off or something.
03-28-2009, 01:15 PM
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I saw this post and had to put in my 2cents worth on the whole subject:
The $250.00 jobs ALWAYS get you in trouble, the car is usually in your way for months and when it leaves it has a pile of your good parts that they got for FREE just so you can get your parking space back.
If you really feel sorry for the guy or feel obligated to the person, I have found it best just to do the work free of money but a trade for time, shop monkeys are great for cleaning parts, tear downs and inspection of used parts plus they get to learn so they don't come back wanting more free parts and time. This all time/money permitting of course.
The pics of the engine and the details given are odd to me as I cant see ANY rotor head missing that much...
Mixing up the rotors and direction of the seals, rotor bearing, pinched water seals? But even if all that was correct the housings look horrible and porting would actually cost you power engine life and fuel mileage, not to mention it would be impossible to tune.
I have seen many rebuilds that incorporated only used hard parts that run hard and last, but all of the parts have to still be within spec, paired and installed correctly.
No good deed go's unpunished and it sounds like the whole deal was a HUGE head ache for everyone involved and more than likely will leave a bad taste for rotary's in the customers mouth resulting in the possible creation of yet another Camero/Mustang lover pissing and moaning about how unreliable rotary's are.
I hope the guy gets a good engine in his car and hopfully by the time he needs a replacment he will have acquired the tool and knowledge to build his own.
I'm not to sure about the new photobucket account and the new Nopistons account and the fact that the poster "forgot" there name seems like a Sniper **** Talk Manuver, so even if every word is true I see no credible "heads up".
Dana
The $250.00 jobs ALWAYS get you in trouble, the car is usually in your way for months and when it leaves it has a pile of your good parts that they got for FREE just so you can get your parking space back.
If you really feel sorry for the guy or feel obligated to the person, I have found it best just to do the work free of money but a trade for time, shop monkeys are great for cleaning parts, tear downs and inspection of used parts plus they get to learn so they don't come back wanting more free parts and time. This all time/money permitting of course.
The pics of the engine and the details given are odd to me as I cant see ANY rotor head missing that much...
Mixing up the rotors and direction of the seals, rotor bearing, pinched water seals? But even if all that was correct the housings look horrible and porting would actually cost you power engine life and fuel mileage, not to mention it would be impossible to tune.
I have seen many rebuilds that incorporated only used hard parts that run hard and last, but all of the parts have to still be within spec, paired and installed correctly.
No good deed go's unpunished and it sounds like the whole deal was a HUGE head ache for everyone involved and more than likely will leave a bad taste for rotary's in the customers mouth resulting in the possible creation of yet another Camero/Mustang lover pissing and moaning about how unreliable rotary's are.
I hope the guy gets a good engine in his car and hopfully by the time he needs a replacment he will have acquired the tool and knowledge to build his own.
I'm not to sure about the new photobucket account and the new Nopistons account and the fact that the poster "forgot" there name seems like a Sniper **** Talk Manuver, so even if every word is true I see no credible "heads up".
Dana