Newbie from Manila, Philippines
05-17-2011, 11:00 AM
#1
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Join Date: May 2011
Location: Manila
Posts: 14
Hello Gents,
I am about to embark on a project that I have always wanted for years. For some reason the rotary engine has a bad rap I believe mainly because a lot of them have no understanding of how fine this engine works. I have loved the sound and the power on this engine. I work for a cruise ship and have been around the world numerous times.
I was in Puerto Rico once and i almost missed the ship because I went to the drag strip to watch a rotary in action. I was simply in la-la land. I didn't want to go back to work.
I wanted to camp out there. Kidding aside. Since I couldn't afford the FD3S and I settled for the engine. Which was also a bit expensive for me. I have been a mitsu guy for years and I wanted something different. Everyone has been doing the 4G63T route but not me... I wanted something else!!! brap brap brap...
I already have the engine... we started the engine that came from a half cut FD3S... i came to life but there was blue-ish smoke and a pop didn't know what it was.
I ran for less than a minute and my heart was racing like a tachometer reaching the 8K mark!!! I asked the guys to shut it because there was no belts on the pulleys.
Didn't want to fry the engine.
I am to install this engine to a Mitsu Lancer EX the one we normally refer to as the "box lancer"
I need your inputs and suggestions...
what are the key points I have to take note of or be aware of in this type of transplant...
a few questions I have would be...
what differential should I use? would the EX turbo hold the power? ( I doubt it though )
What would you suggest with regard to my brake upgrade? (this will come later.. I need to stuff it in the car first LOL! )
Hold my hand please...
here are some pics
and no it will not be stuffed in my 1959 beetle
I am about to embark on a project that I have always wanted for years. For some reason the rotary engine has a bad rap I believe mainly because a lot of them have no understanding of how fine this engine works. I have loved the sound and the power on this engine. I work for a cruise ship and have been around the world numerous times.
I was in Puerto Rico once and i almost missed the ship because I went to the drag strip to watch a rotary in action. I was simply in la-la land. I didn't want to go back to work.
I wanted to camp out there. Kidding aside. Since I couldn't afford the FD3S and I settled for the engine. Which was also a bit expensive for me. I have been a mitsu guy for years and I wanted something different. Everyone has been doing the 4G63T route but not me... I wanted something else!!! brap brap brap...
I already have the engine... we started the engine that came from a half cut FD3S... i came to life but there was blue-ish smoke and a pop didn't know what it was.
I ran for less than a minute and my heart was racing like a tachometer reaching the 8K mark!!! I asked the guys to shut it because there was no belts on the pulleys.
Didn't want to fry the engine.
I am to install this engine to a Mitsu Lancer EX the one we normally refer to as the "box lancer"
I need your inputs and suggestions...
what are the key points I have to take note of or be aware of in this type of transplant...
a few questions I have would be...
what differential should I use? would the EX turbo hold the power? ( I doubt it though )
What would you suggest with regard to my brake upgrade? (this will come later.. I need to stuff it in the car first LOL! )
Hold my hand please...
here are some pics
and no it will not be stuffed in my 1959 beetle
05-17-2011, 12:47 PM
#2
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Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: peru, IN
Posts: 1,833
Welcome to nopistons!
Some things to keep in mind with regard to the engine:
CHECK THE OIL- rotaries intentially burn oil to lubricate the apex seals. Too many engines have been lost due to people not checking the oil and losing oil pressure or overheating it due to lack of oil. Because of the oil injection system it will have a little blue smoke till it warms up. The oil metering pump (aka omp is what injects oil into the engine) are known to go bad and there's no real way to know they're bad till it's too late. A common reliability mod is to remove the omp and premix two stroke oil in the gas.
Overheating issues - rotaries build up a lot of heat. Cooling mods are a big reliability mod. Running lean will cause overheating and detonations also. Detonations=blown apex seals. On the stock gauges the oil pressure and temp gauges are inaccurate as hell.
Now for the car swap:
I'm not sure that I've ever seen a rotary in a transverse mount. One side of the engine has the intake manifold and the twin turbos, the other side has all 4 of the spark plugs so neither side is really good around the trans.
Now, the rotary is a very short block so you could probably fit it in there longitudinally. If you want to keep it awd, look into what it would take to adapt a Subaru trans to the rew and the drivetrain. This is going to take a lot of work and a good amount of money, but if you pull it off, you'll have one of the sickest cars in the US.
Best of luck bud
Some things to keep in mind with regard to the engine:
CHECK THE OIL- rotaries intentially burn oil to lubricate the apex seals. Too many engines have been lost due to people not checking the oil and losing oil pressure or overheating it due to lack of oil. Because of the oil injection system it will have a little blue smoke till it warms up. The oil metering pump (aka omp is what injects oil into the engine) are known to go bad and there's no real way to know they're bad till it's too late. A common reliability mod is to remove the omp and premix two stroke oil in the gas.
Overheating issues - rotaries build up a lot of heat. Cooling mods are a big reliability mod. Running lean will cause overheating and detonations also. Detonations=blown apex seals. On the stock gauges the oil pressure and temp gauges are inaccurate as hell.
Now for the car swap:
I'm not sure that I've ever seen a rotary in a transverse mount. One side of the engine has the intake manifold and the twin turbos, the other side has all 4 of the spark plugs so neither side is really good around the trans.
Now, the rotary is a very short block so you could probably fit it in there longitudinally. If you want to keep it awd, look into what it would take to adapt a Subaru trans to the rew and the drivetrain. This is going to take a lot of work and a good amount of money, but if you pull it off, you'll have one of the sickest cars in the US.
Best of luck bud
05-18-2011, 01:57 AM
#4
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Join Date: May 2011
Location: Manila
Posts: 14
Matthew and Scott,
Thanks for the welcome. It's funny that the OMP can be removed and can be remedied by premixing oil in the gas... just like my Honda scooter!!!
I am slowly but surely threading on very thin ice. I know that if I screw this up it'll cost me a lot of money. Like tons of people are more excited than me
to see this in action. I hope I'll have a longer vacation next time after my next contract on a floating madhouse they call a cruise ship.
More power to NO PISTONS!!!!!
05-19-2011, 11:06 AM
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Join Date: May 2011
Location: Manila
Posts: 14
Hi TurboII...
LOL!! We have a mall called Mall of Asia... really huge, I hate going in there... I need a moped to go around!!
The car scene is doing great... a lot of old cars being restored. Drifting events, drags and circuit racing.
Check out DMF.com David Feliciano... sponsored by Good Year...
LOL!! We have a mall called Mall of Asia... really huge, I hate going in there... I need a moped to go around!!
The car scene is doing great... a lot of old cars being restored. Drifting events, drags and circuit racing.
Check out DMF.com David Feliciano... sponsored by Good Year...
05-25-2011, 02:39 AM
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Location: Manila
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^^Thanks for the welcome chief!
Been measuring the tranny... looks like it won't sit straight up to the tunnel hole. Was wondering anybody out there from Australia or New Zealand who has done the same transplant.
Here are a few pics of a Lancer EX with a rotary in it.
I didn't want to use a different transmission but I'd like to get information as well on what would be a good differential to use... from what vehicle.
Any info would be great!!
Somebody please hold my hand!!! LOL!!!
Been measuring the tranny... looks like it won't sit straight up to the tunnel hole. Was wondering anybody out there from Australia or New Zealand who has done the same transplant.
Here are a few pics of a Lancer EX with a rotary in it.
I didn't want to use a different transmission but I'd like to get information as well on what would be a good differential to use... from what vehicle.
Any info would be great!!
Somebody please hold my hand!!! LOL!!!