I was at the gas station filling my wifes '00 Mustang GT vert up with gas. This kid pulls in with a Civic with a full combat body kit and duel exhaust , he takes the other side of my pump.



Just as I finish he says to me "Hey want to race me from a red light for $100. I look at him and say "with this??" he says yes.



I loook back at my car then look at his. I then say "Normally I would say yes but you are too eager to race me which makes me think you probably have a B-16 swap and a lot of NOS. I will tell you what though I have an RX-7 at home which is 5 minutes from here, I will gladly go get it and race you for $200."



He didn't want to race anymore. He at that point realized I know a little about imports and couldn't fool me.



It turns out I was on the money. He has a J-spec B-16 and a 150 shot of nos. He is probably pushing 350-400 hp. He claims he runs the 1/4 in the high 13's. He says most mustang and camaro guys jump at the chance to race and he gets lots of money that way.



I would have lost in my Mustang. I would have kicked his ass in my TII even with a bad launch.



So I saved myself a hundred dollars. Sometimes there is a fast ricers. I would say 1 out of every 20 or 30 are fast.

350 to 400HP in a civic should put him a lot lower in the 1/4 then a high 13! He NEEDS NOS just to get those numbers, lol...must suck. Good call though, and good judgment. Back in my streetracing days(which are now postponed til next spring/summer due to arrest, jail time, etc, lol) I did run into a few guys who had quick civics...normally when you get into the bigger cities where the pay is better and mommies & daddies can hook 'em up w/ what ever they want.



It would have been funny though if he took you up on the rx7. What do you have in your T2?

Good call, i usually inquire too if someone puts $$$ on it. He pussed out on your 7 though https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif

because he knew that he would get spanked by the 7 hahahah https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/BURNOUT.gif

I am not totally sure he had all the mods he claimed. I tried to get him to pop the hood and he wouldn't. But..he was all too willing to brag about all his mods.



My RX-7 has:

Racing beat Downpipe / presilancer

Apexi N-1 single cat back

Cone intake / Mariah cold air box

S-AFC / 720 secondaries

Profec B

9.5# Flywheel

Thats it.

i like how all the rice guys are so afraid of the 7

because of this https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/BURNOUT.gif

that air box help any? you got any pictures? is it worth $120?

if he is running a b-16 form japan 160 hp + the 25 or so from headders and exh and intake. if he had any of that..then the 150. around 330 hp..but still a one leg dog..he spent way too much cash on a turd...in japan hondas are chick cars or poor ppl cars...the only reasion some tuners are doing hondas is because the know how big the market is here and canada..the tune a few and get the cash...easy formula Honda+cash=sucks

gotta love how even a ricer (cockey) who has something is afraid of the RX-7, anyone know how the 2nd gen N/A's fair against the ricers? I havent done much racing in mine, seeing as I still have my learners permit.

SOMEONE YOUNGER THAN MEEEE!!!!!!!!!

lol, bet I learned how to drive a stick faster than you :stickpoke: lol, second time I drove my car, I only killed it three times, hehehe, thats only one more than my mom did. I was reminding her how to drive. ahh, good times, good times

NAs are "OK" against the ricers, but preludes and some modded vtec civics sometimes gave me a good run....NA rx7s are 0 to 60 in the 7s typically and I know that a stock GSR teg is a low 7 high 6...so who knows....race 'em in the twisties and you've got nothing to worry about...





BTW, glad I went w/ boost this time https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/boink.gif

what about if I gut the cats (shhh...) get a cone filter and such little things, will I make any significant gains?

get a full exhaust system... they make insane amounts of gain for a NA.. get the rb header, and full exhaust

I wouldn't say insane amount of gains, but a nice header/presilencer/catback setup will gain you about 20/25more HP, and w/ cone filter, TB mod, and ported manifolds, you'll get about another 5 to 8 hp...so intake & exhaust will put a s4 NA up to about 160/165 hp, and a s5 up to about 180/185. Then tune the fuel perfectly and maybe some underdrive pulleys w/ an efan...and you can get another 5/10..



I had 177 on my S4 NA w/ intake, tb mod, no cats, cone filter, FPR, and a few other lil things...but I had shitty clutch and tires too...

sounds good, who wants to buy it for me? lol, it would really hurt them too cause my car looks like ****. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/BURNOUT.gif

what is the TB mod?

200hp is possible on stock block NA, just takes all the bolt ons and a knowledgeable tuner.



i know that NAs do fairly well on the rice seen.



i have a GXL with 4.3 rear, no air pump or cats



i run faster than stock GTI VR6 until mid thrid gear (no torque)

blow most stock civics away

took a new vtec prelude Auto



it depends on drivers mostly



Justin

Muad,,,, i don't understand your reasoning with the "race car" choice in you sig, please enlighten.