What's Your Favorite Wax?
07-19-2003, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by TyresmokinRx7' date='Jul 19 2003, 05:25 PM
I don't polish my car because it can scratch the paint if it's got dust on it or if the cloths never going to be completely clean.
is not a scratch in it. No fine scratches, nothing.
Use a slightly dampened applicator for wax, not a ripped
t-shirt or any wacko thing like that.
And a microfiber towel to remove the wax. You dont have to
go nuts leaning on the car either.
Dramon- wax in a circular motion. Only wax in a line on a body line so you
dont end up with a build up in the crevices.
Fiske- ask the body shop what they would reccomend, some
may tell you its OK to wax right away, I would wax after 3 months,
get yourself some glaze that is silicone and wax free and use that
for the first 3 months if you want some extra shine now and then.
07-19-2003, 11:31 PM
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Dish detergent, for the wash, before you polish/wax. The actual car washes aren't as strong so they don't take all the old wax off like dish detergent does.
3M Hand Glaze. Awesome stuff. Not really any protection. Pain in the *** to take off but well worth it. People I know that have body shops never, ever use wax on their cars and they look fabulous.
3M Hand Glaze. Awesome stuff. Not really any protection. Pain in the *** to take off but well worth it. People I know that have body shops never, ever use wax on their cars and they look fabulous.
07-20-2003, 02:37 PM
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3M hand glaze is old news, thier Finesse It III Finishing Glaze blows it
away. People with garages for cars they dont drive
dont have to wax thier cars. People who keep thier cars outside
and drive them everyday have to wax thier cars.
When you say silicones you mean for the tires and trim?
Tire dressing I would get something from a detail supply
place, Auto Magic Magic Dressing is excellent stuff. Use it
on your engine, wheel wells, tires, interior, door jambs, etc.
Even some WD-40 and sprays like that work good on rubber parts like
door jamb rubbers and what not.
I cannot justify using dish detergent over a high quality
car washing soap, why would you want to strip the wax off your
car? It doesnt hurt to apply multiple coats of wax, I had customers cars
I would wax every 4 weeks, and they always looked better then when they
came from the dealer even after a couple of years.
away. People with garages for cars they dont drive
dont have to wax thier cars. People who keep thier cars outside
and drive them everyday have to wax thier cars.
When you say silicones you mean for the tires and trim?
Tire dressing I would get something from a detail supply
place, Auto Magic Magic Dressing is excellent stuff. Use it
on your engine, wheel wells, tires, interior, door jambs, etc.
Even some WD-40 and sprays like that work good on rubber parts like
door jamb rubbers and what not.
I cannot justify using dish detergent over a high quality
car washing soap, why would you want to strip the wax off your
car? It doesnt hurt to apply multiple coats of wax, I had customers cars
I would wax every 4 weeks, and they always looked better then when they
came from the dealer even after a couple of years.
07-20-2003, 08:51 PM
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Whatever the case may be in 3M coming out with new products, their Hand Glaze is great.
I guess one might want to strip off the old stuff for the fact that it cleans better, it, as stated, gets rid of the old stuff and gives you a clean slate to start with. But what would I know.
...and multiple coats of wax might be fantastic if they are being applied right after one another. Personally, I wouldn't want to wax over top of some old dirty stuff.
I guess one might want to strip off the old stuff for the fact that it cleans better, it, as stated, gets rid of the old stuff and gives you a clean slate to start with. But what would I know.
...and multiple coats of wax might be fantastic if they are being applied right after one another. Personally, I wouldn't want to wax over top of some old dirty stuff.
07-21-2003, 09:44 AM
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dont take offense to it, im just telling you that stripping the old wax
off does nothing at all, its not like its coats of paint on there or something.
Sure 3M hand glaze is great, but the new stuff is that much better
How does wax get old and dirty?
off does nothing at all, its not like its coats of paint on there or something.
Sure 3M hand glaze is great, but the new stuff is that much better
How does wax get old and dirty?
07-22-2003, 12:31 AM
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If one is taking the time to wash and polish or wax a car, why would one want to use a surface that is not "optimal" when one can start with a clean slate, hence the dish detergent. Especially if one might be using glaze or polish. I definately don't want to waste my time trying to rub through a layer, or layers, of old wax. Or any wax at all, for that matter. How about a clay bar? Why would one want to attempt to use a clay bar on a waxed surface when the choice not to is there. And without any further effort whatsoever.
If dirt can sit in paint, dirt can surely sit in a layered wax.
This exert taken from the Zaino Bros. website, one of the most trusted names in the automotive show arena, about preperation in waxing a car:
" 3. I would definitely recommend you remove the wax buildup on your paint. Just use Liquid Dawn (hand dishwashing liquid) as a car wash. It has a high alkaline content which cuts right thru carnauba wax, paraffin, silicone oils, etc. This will get your paint finish squeeky clean and wax free.
I don't advise making a habit of washing your car with Dawn. But for this scenario it's fine. High alkaline products like Dawn are tough on polishes. It will never harm the paint finish though. A car wash is made specifically to clean without removing durable polishes. ALSO, Make sure you remove any water spots, before you apply my products. Because Zaino has no abrasives or harsh solvents it will not remove water spots or stains. Z-18 ClayBar is great for removing any paint surface contaminants. Re-wash the entire vehicle with Z-7 Car Wash immediately after the ClayBar Cleaning Process."
I've entered two judged shows and won them both and, surprisingly, have had several people ask me if my paint was original, which it is.
While the non-strip method may work fine, I have had great results with using dish detergent and then glazing. For some reason or another I don't have the option to attach files.
If dirt can sit in paint, dirt can surely sit in a layered wax.
This exert taken from the Zaino Bros. website, one of the most trusted names in the automotive show arena, about preperation in waxing a car:
" 3. I would definitely recommend you remove the wax buildup on your paint. Just use Liquid Dawn (hand dishwashing liquid) as a car wash. It has a high alkaline content which cuts right thru carnauba wax, paraffin, silicone oils, etc. This will get your paint finish squeeky clean and wax free.
I don't advise making a habit of washing your car with Dawn. But for this scenario it's fine. High alkaline products like Dawn are tough on polishes. It will never harm the paint finish though. A car wash is made specifically to clean without removing durable polishes. ALSO, Make sure you remove any water spots, before you apply my products. Because Zaino has no abrasives or harsh solvents it will not remove water spots or stains. Z-18 ClayBar is great for removing any paint surface contaminants. Re-wash the entire vehicle with Z-7 Car Wash immediately after the ClayBar Cleaning Process."
I've entered two judged shows and won them both and, surprisingly, have had several people ask me if my paint was original, which it is.
While the non-strip method may work fine, I have had great results with using dish detergent and then glazing. For some reason or another I don't have the option to attach files.
07-22-2003, 05:42 PM
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You cant attatch files in the FAQ section I guess. This reply might be long,and
again its meant for discussion purposes:
You can do and advise as you please, you are quoting a web site,
which is fine.
I am telling you real life expierence, I was in the detail business and
owned my own shop, that was actually pretty succesfull, I catered to a up
scale clientel, so the local car washes that were charging $99 for what I would
charge upwards of $150 got to be too much. I have waxed probably close to 10,000 cars at least, no kidding.
I felt I wanted to change careers
into something that wasnt as cut throat with low ballers. Only reason I dont detail anymore is because there is no money in it, I can spend the same time on a car as I do fixing a boat and make $100 a hour versus busting my *** on a car for most of the day for a lousy $150.
Annnnyhow, my point is you can quote web sites and follow thier advice, which
is a-ok with me, and you can follow my advice having waxed thousands of cars in
my lifetime. There is no wrong answer, but when you do wash a car with dawn I hope you are waxing every nook and cranny that you just stripped the wax
from by using Dawn.
That whole starting with a fresh surface is BS, there is nothing to be gained, but
I dont have a web site and sell my own wax so my opinion is just that, opinion.
DAWN will never take the place of a clay bar by the way, I have never ever had
to use a clay bar on one of my own vehicles, but I have used clay bars since they came out over 10 years ago, and trust me when I say that dawn dishwashing detergent isnt going to remove what a clay bar will remove. Try to take rail dust off a car with Dawn, rail dust is just that, tiny particles of rusted metal in the paint, I used to clay bar several cars weekly, Mitsuibishi used to send me new cars every week to remove the rail dust from transport. Not too mention people who park thier cars under train tressels, not sure if that applies to your neck of the woods, but it does here in NY.
Some cars have a tendency to get a build up along the flat surfaces of the trunk lid and the rear bumper from brake dust. Dawn will not remove that either. Try to remove overspray with dish detergent, wont happen.
A car that is at least washed every week or two will never have to see a clay bar.
I take pride in the appearance of my car, and the compliments I get for it make
it all worth while.
If I called myself something fancy and had a web site and sold over priced wax people would be quoting me I guess, lol
again its meant for discussion purposes:
You can do and advise as you please, you are quoting a web site,
which is fine.
I am telling you real life expierence, I was in the detail business and
owned my own shop, that was actually pretty succesfull, I catered to a up
scale clientel, so the local car washes that were charging $99 for what I would
charge upwards of $150 got to be too much. I have waxed probably close to 10,000 cars at least, no kidding.
I felt I wanted to change careers
into something that wasnt as cut throat with low ballers. Only reason I dont detail anymore is because there is no money in it, I can spend the same time on a car as I do fixing a boat and make $100 a hour versus busting my *** on a car for most of the day for a lousy $150.
Annnnyhow, my point is you can quote web sites and follow thier advice, which
is a-ok with me, and you can follow my advice having waxed thousands of cars in
my lifetime. There is no wrong answer, but when you do wash a car with dawn I hope you are waxing every nook and cranny that you just stripped the wax
from by using Dawn.
That whole starting with a fresh surface is BS, there is nothing to be gained, but
I dont have a web site and sell my own wax so my opinion is just that, opinion.
DAWN will never take the place of a clay bar by the way, I have never ever had
to use a clay bar on one of my own vehicles, but I have used clay bars since they came out over 10 years ago, and trust me when I say that dawn dishwashing detergent isnt going to remove what a clay bar will remove. Try to take rail dust off a car with Dawn, rail dust is just that, tiny particles of rusted metal in the paint, I used to clay bar several cars weekly, Mitsuibishi used to send me new cars every week to remove the rail dust from transport. Not too mention people who park thier cars under train tressels, not sure if that applies to your neck of the woods, but it does here in NY.
Some cars have a tendency to get a build up along the flat surfaces of the trunk lid and the rear bumper from brake dust. Dawn will not remove that either. Try to remove overspray with dish detergent, wont happen.
A car that is at least washed every week or two will never have to see a clay bar.
I take pride in the appearance of my car, and the compliments I get for it make
it all worth while.
If I called myself something fancy and had a web site and sold over priced wax people would be quoting me I guess, lol