sinful7, I was looking at the bar you made and I think I could do something similar with mine. This is for autox only. It may sound ridiculous but if there was a way, I'd use both a 4 point harness and then the stock belt over that for safety. I read of an MR2 set up that way with no cage, bar, or anything special. I like the seat idea though and the one I'm looking at is only $230.

I don't htink that seat would be very comfortable. it looks like it's a frame seat and not a modled one. I sat in a corbeau that was similar looking as that and it definatly wasn't very comfy.. but i guess it fixed the lateral movement issues https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

I'm on the fact that in case of a roll over while wearin ga harness chances of being injured are greater. If the roof of the car crushes, the person has no where to go as the seat belts have enough 'give' to help keep you from getting a head trauma/spinal compression due to your head to roof contact. With a harness you're locked in the upright position through the ordeal where chances are great of such injuries occuring if such an accident were to occur on the track or off.



Despite harnesses not being the most practical thing to put on and remove, once you would wear them in your normal sloshy seat and feel how much better you have control of yoru car as you're never fighting over lateral movements while driving you'll want to wear them on & off the track hense the probabily of wearing such items while driving down a twisty road where you could be involved in an accident is greater.l



Look at the Rx-7 already.. we can't just throw an exhaust and downpipe on our cars and expect it to be over with.. you have to upgrade your fuel system start monitoring the engine more closely. Why should your safety be any different. You put a harness in yoru car you should get a roll bar.

Rollovers in themselves are a rare occurance. Considering that in a typical autocross you never leave second gear, I think your chances for a rollover type accident are slim to none. Also, considering that the driver understands that his safety will be diminished in a rollover with a harness and no bar, he *should* be more considerate of what beheviors and driving styles cause rollovers, and try to avoid them.



Has anyone here ever seen a rollover at a solo event?



Anyone that wants pointers on making a steel tube harness bar can just ask, I'll be happy to help out any way I can.

What I'd like to make is a steel harness bar like yours but that connects both the stock upper belt mounting locations (on the b pillars?). I don't think any other points would be high or strong enough. What do you think?

Post a pic of the FC's seat belt mount and rear strut tower points and of the general area, and I'll let you know what I think will be more suitable.

I have done 4 point harnesses in an S13 240, an FD and a Blazer (but never an FC), so I've got some experience with what works and what sucks!

Here's the only two hatch pics I have now. Like I said, I think the strut bar may be a bit low to mount the shoulder straps but what do I know.

here's the other, you should be able to see the seat belt mounting points

The strut tower brace is not too low. You want them mounting area to be less than 10 or 15 degrees below an imaginary plane extending rear from the top of your shoulders. The seat belt mounting points will be too far to the side to funcion properly, you will be pulled to one side when you tighten your harnesses.

If you're really concerned the angle will be too low, you could mount the harnesses to the rear of the trunk wall.. Just get 3-point, double-release harnesses, and they'll be long enough to reach.

point taken Sinful.



If you use your rear strut bar i guess look at the mounting hardware and make sure that you feel it's going to be a good secure item. Corksport items aren't known for being trashy that I know of so i'm guess it's a good quality item. so for auto-x go for it https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png