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TYSON 09-30-2003 02:38 PM

Up here they get the last Prelude's for PAX advantage. We don't have 3rd gear autocross courses and they get classed with Rustangs. The Mini Cooper S is looking like a good choice too.

PhoenixDownVII 09-30-2003 02:46 PM


Originally Posted by TYSON' date='Sep 30 2003, 03:38 PM
Up here they get the last Prelude's for PAX advantage.

PAX? P? AutoX.....Whats the P for? a specific kind/type [staying in third?]? Thanks.

TYSON 09-30-2003 03:22 PM

PAX is the method used so that slower cars can compete head to head with faster cars for the overall win at an event.



It's unfair to expect a Miata to compete head to head with an FD, so each cars times are multiplied by a factor chosen from in depth experience to get a new value to go in the overall standings.



ie: Lotus Super 7 w/ slicks 42.3 seconds (Class A mod, PAX 1.000)

FD time 49.5 seconds. (Class ASC, PAX 0.850)

Miata time 52.2 seconds (Class A/1, PAX 0.805)



Overall 'times'



Lotus - 42.3 seconds

FD - 42.075 seconds

Miata - 42.263 seconds





The FD wins, followed by the Miata then the Lotus, even though the Lotus went through the course more than 7 seconds faster than the FD.



Some cars are very strong in their class. Preludes VS Mustangs are a good example. On short tight courses, the Prelude has a natural advantage. On a longer course with more straightaways a well driven Mustang will have a better chance.



Check out our local results page to see how it's done.

WOSCA Results

Jims5543 09-30-2003 03:32 PM

PAX = is an indexing system that adjusts cars times so you can compare them from class to class. Like a Viper would pax in the 0.94 range and an Sentra would pax in the .72 range. BTW - these are guessed times I do not have a pax list in front of me.

When you multiply the pax to the time you get an adjusted time thats supposed to even things out.



I personally feel it is harder to get around a course 5 seconds faster in ANY car. Pax or no pax things are happening very fast in a faster car and it requires more skill to go fast.



Example my brother has a GXL with an identicle suspension setup as me in my 320RWHP TII. His 120RWHP GXL is FUN to Autocross with because it is not a beast. MY TII is a handfull and requires a lot more driver input to keep it going where you want it. I love racing my brothers car because you can conentrate on the course and not the car. You can hit the gas at the apex of a curve and not have to coutersteer to keep it pointed where you want.



Some guys like the Sentra purely for its PAX index being so good.

Jims5543 09-30-2003 03:34 PM

Or I could just say "Yeah what TYSON said".

banzaitoyota 09-30-2003 03:36 PM

Didn't Charlie Priddle invent the PAX formula?

Dramon_Killer 09-30-2003 03:43 PM

Most sentra's suck but the older SR20DE driven SE-R's arent too bad. It's still a Sentra but its the Type-R equivalent mostly.

TYSON 09-30-2003 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by Jims5543' date='Sep 30 2003, 04:34 PM
Or I could just say "Yeah what TYSON said".

You must type 'MaD slOw, yO!!' https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png



It took me 10 minutes to put that together and I still be you by 10 minutes https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif



We need to PAX typing speed!!

j9fd3s 09-30-2003 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by TYSON' date='Sep 30 2003, 01:05 PM
You must type 'MaD slOw, yO!!' https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png



It took me 10 minutes to put that together and I still be you by 10 minutes https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif



We need to PAX typing speed!!

can you use the backspace key?

TYSON 09-30-2003 04:18 PM

Excessively! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png Looks like I did it to change the word 'beat' into 'be' and leave it that way. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub..._DIR#>/dry.png



An actual fast Sentra! World Challenge Project Car is almost finished now and will probably whoop my ass next year on a tight track, even though I plan to have 300 hp advantage!


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